Quote from March Hare :

Maybe if you are bored with 36 degree drifting you could try 36 degree racing.

Just a thouhgt

I had my racing time, I had my drifting time. I'm just trying to keep on having interesting stuff in sim, especially when playing it for over 4,5 years already. And my real life motorsport interest is aimed towards drifting. 1 is because it's very fun and exciting(ever tried drifting yourself in rwd car with power, diff and on a race track? Or had a co-drive in proffesional drift car with very good driver? Ever followed in a drift car another car? Yourself or in a co-drive? Believe me it's very fun, not any less than racing). 2 is because drifting is one of the cheapest motorsports. I don't have lots of money to compete in racing series or in rally series. And I like the fact that I can do my passion in LFS any time I want, especially when the tires are free and parts don't wear out. But I hate when there are people that for some unknown reason are giving their best so I can't realise this passion in LFS.

Quote from March Hare :

As the XRT seems to be the car of choice for the drifters maybe the lock should be increased. But only for XRT. I don't see the harm in that.

Mostly XRT and FZ5. Some people also use RAC and LX6.

Now what harm would do 45 lock in all street cars except maybe Rb4. More than that. More people race GTT than FZ5, rac and LX6/4, but that's another story.

EVEN ON TOP OF THAT, the classes that are popular on racing servers are S-S and GTR. Biggest group that uses TBO class(even when just GTT from it) and LRF(even when mostly just FZ5) are drifters. And please people don't tell me ("I've race TBO yesterday, there's CTRA server etc."), because simply checking server list in game and filtering classes says enough. Not saying that people shouldn't race for example TBO, I'm actually suprised so few do, because it's one of the most fun racing that can be had in lfs.

Quote from March Hare :

Wasn't the lock decreased in the past?

If you did read my post, which is few posts over yours then you know that it was decreased from 45 to 36, so yes.

Sometimes I get a feeling that most of the people that join the discussion don't even bother reading other people posts, but start writing straight away. There's nothing more annoying than trying to have a serious discussion in such group of people.

A thousand apologies oh exalted one for not reading your post!

But I wasn't talking to you as i was replying to mikespeed95's post.

Adding to the NOT 45 list of road cars: UF1, XFG and FXO

Haven't seen a CV joint that can take such high angles.

Not like there is any use of this lock in those cars. Can't see use of such big lock in fwd cars in real life as well. So I agree with you on this one.

Quote from kamkorPL :

1 is because it's very fun and exciting(ever tried drifting yourself in rwd car with power, diff and on a race track? Or had a co-drive in proffesional drift car with very good driver? Ever followed in a drift car another car? Yourself or in a co-drive? Believe me it's very fun, not any less than racing).

Only opinions. I don't feel it would be very fun and exciting to drift. Having the tail come out under power and catching it at speed, that is fun and exciting because it is unexpected and the results are unexpected as you try to correct and continue on. Drifting is just figure skating to me.

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2 is because drifting is one of the cheapest motorsports. I don't have lots of money to compete in racing series or in rally series. And I like the fact that I can do my passion in LFS any time I want, especially when the tires are free and parts don't wear out. But I hate when there are people that for some unknown reason are giving their best so I can't realise this passion in LFS.

I don't see how using up a set of tires within less than a lap could be called 'cheap'.

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....More people race GTT than FZ5, rac and LX6/4, but that's another story.

....(even when just GTT from it) and LRF(even when mostly just FZ5) .....

Thanks for that. I always love seeing folks call it the GTT. It shows your LFS age and I prefer calling it the GTT myself . I have a skin that has GTT 'emblems' on it.

Quote from AndroidXP :

No, we just hate drifters and want to make them feel as miserable as possible :rolleyes:

Well , more than 25% of players , bought the game because of sim drift :P

Quote from Dmt :

Well , more than 25% of players , bought the game because of sim drift :P

Where did you get that number from?

Quote from mrodgers :

Only opinions. I don't feel it would be very fun and exciting to drift. Having the tail come out under power and catching it at speed, that is fun and exciting because it is unexpected and the results are unexpected as you try to correct and continue on. Drifting is just figure skating to me.

Drifting is something you have to try to appreciate it. What you say now is like saying sex sucks without actually trying it.

Quote from mrodgers :

I don't see how using up a set of tires within less than a lap could be called 'cheap'.

I have no idea about motorsport costs in USA, but in Poland building a drift car and doing a whole season in Poland is cheaper than 1 rally in like Lancer Group N car(And can be much cheaper depending on a car, for example if its BMW E30). There's a "cheap" Kia Picanto race track series, but it still is way more expensive for me. In drifting all you need to start is actually an rwd car with power, a welded diff, set of tires(used tires aren't expensive and usually they don't really wear out that fast. And i'm not talking about semi-slicks that very proffesional drift cars use, since those price is really big.) and a place to drive(organised legal trainings) - later you just tune suspension, maybe swap engine etc. Believe me - compared to most of the motorsports it's cheapest to get into and start doing it. Just imagine having to get a proper race car, a group of mechanics, a track license etc.. Big costs, right? Also consider that in Poland term "track days" isn't as popular as in for example USA, which sucks a lot, because track days should be something that is organised often. But I guess it can't be helped when there is actually only one proper race track in Poland.

Ofcourse drifting can get very expensive at its "F1" level, but still costs are nothing compared to example F1 or WRC.

Quote from mrodgers :

Thanks for that. I always love seeing folks call it the GTT. It shows your LFS age and I prefer calling it the GTT myself . I have a skin that has GTT 'emblems' on it.

Old habits never go away

Quote from Dmt :

Well , more than 25% of players , bought the game because of sim drift :P

That's interesting. Could you show me the source of that statistic? Assuming you didn't pull it directly out of your arse anyway - I don't want to look up there.

Quote from richy :

parking dorifto!

Made my day But it ****ing hurts when I have a headache and laugh alot, lmao. But the car is so cute

Quote from Qvarnis :

But the girl is so cute

F1x0r3d

Actually today I realized that I wouldn`t even drift on that big angles which would need 45 degree steering lock.

I have the "driftbox" which shows the angle of my drift, it goes at around 30 degrees only! And at some places where my speed is over 150km/h my drift`s angle is about 40-50 degrees and I can easily handle them.

So in my really honest opinion, steering lock of XRT should be increased to 40 degrees MAX.

What`s the use having 45 degree steering lock when you need it only at very high speeds and hairpins?

Quote from March Hare :

F1x0r3d

Haha ;D Indeed, sir.

Quote from Qvarnis :

Actually today I realized that I wouldn`t even drift on that big angles which would need 45 degree steering lock.

I have the "driftbox" which shows the angle of my drift, it goes at around 30 degrees only! And at some places where my speed is over 150km/h my drift`s angle is about 40-50 degrees and I can easily handle them.

So in my really honest opinion, steering lock of XRT should be increased to 40 degrees MAX.

What`s the use having 45 degree steering lock when you need it only at very high speeds and hairpins?




Haha ;D Indeed, sir.

Nah, you can do nearly 90 degree drifts in XRT with 36 degrees by sliding all four wheels in equal stages, then powering out of the corner.

Ehhh

I might as well start a new thread with suggestions for :

Only H shifter option for street cars, only manual clutch for street cars -> no auto clutch. No more many unrealistic setup options etc. No steering wheels(Like momo racing) when using street cars that have less steering lock than street cars itself(720 degrees). Moreover I don't drive GTI and other FWD, so why have it in game! Remove it! And so on. Argueing over what I wrote above would be no less stupid than argueing about 45 degree lock, a simple ingame variable change.

We can set so many things in setup that are SO HARD to set in real life or impossible, but we can't do something that in several cars is easy to set in real life. 45 degrees unrealistic? Unrealistic my ass.

Quote from March Hare :

Haven't seen a CV joint that can take such high angles.

maybe because nobody drifts fwd cars?

are you trying to emphasize your ignorance to the discussion here?

here is a video everyone who thinks 45* of steering angle is useless and people cant do perpendicular on a straightaway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 9OIX8&feature=related

190rwhp.

Quote from mikespeed95 :

maybe because nobody drifts fwd cars?

are you trying to emphasize your ignorance to the discussion here?

Who is the ignorant one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6thh_Iw92w

That's ass-dragging, not drifting.

Quote from March Hare :

Who is the ignorant one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6thh_Iw92w

I'm sorry, I'll try to be more specific for all the e-thugs who cant keep in mind the discussion at hand.

What I meant to say was
"Hey jacktard who obviuosly has never been on a drift server, nobody drifts fwd cars on lfs"

:juggle:

Quote from kamkorPL :

Ehhh

I might as well start a new thread with suggestions for :

Only H shifter option for street cars, only manual clutch for street cars -> no auto clutch. No more many unrealistic setup options etc. No steering wheels(Like momo racing) when using street cars that have less steering lock than street cars itself(720 degrees). Moreover I don't drive GTI and other FWD, so why have it in game! Remove it! And so on. Argueing over what I wrote above would be no less stupid than argueing about 45 degree lock, a simple ingame variable change.

We can set so many things in setup that are SO HARD to set in real life or impossible, but we can't do something that in several cars is easy to set in real life. 45 degrees unrealistic? Unrealistic my ass.

+1
if you don't need 45* steer lock - you can choose less (36, 30..) so what is the problem?

unrealistic? http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=5w4bqfGdFLg at 0:14
HEY! YOU! YES, GUY IN S13! YOU HAVE UNREALISTIC SETTINGS IN YOUR CAR!!! PLZ BURN IN HELL!

>_>

Quote from ponczak :

+1
if you don't need 45* steer lock - you can choose less (36, 30..) so what is the problem?

unrealistic? http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=5w4bqfGdFLg at 0:14
HEY! YOU! YES, GUY IN S13! YOU HAVE UNREALISTIC SETTINGS IN YOUR CAR!!! PLZ BURN IN HELL!

>_>

Sigh.

The cars in LFS are NOT drift cars. Yes you can drift them but that is a side effect of the physics.

The GTR spec cars are a good example. Show me a GTR spec car with big lock. They are not constructed to allow it and big wheels take big space under the hood if you want large lock.

BTW. For GTR spec car I don't mean a normal road car that somebody has tweaked with a big engine and lots of plastic. I mean a GTR spec car.

Quote from Woz :

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^Post above

1. We are talking about LFS street cars.
2. LFS street cars aren't race cars.
3. Drifting isn't side effect of physics, it's the fact that physics are so good. And drifting in lfs is close to drifting in real life physics wise.
4. Why bringing up GTR spec cars example all of sudden? The thread is talking only about street cars that allow street tires etc. You can mod street Ford Sierra for example to have a VERY BIG lock, same with ae86(Toyota Corolla) and lots of other cars. Making steering lock bigger isn't something impossible, it's realistic, unlike many options in lfs setup.
5. Do you really realise what exactly this thread is about? Sigh.

Quote from kamkorPL :

^Post above

1. We are talking about LFS street cars.
2. LFS street cars aren't race cars.
3. Drifting isn't side effect of physics, it's the fact that physics are so good. And drifting in lfs is close to drifting in real life physics wise.
4. Why bringing up GTR spec cars example all of sudden? The thread is talking only about street cars that allow street tires etc. You can mod street Ford Sierra for example to have a VERY BIG lock, same with ae86(Toyota Corolla) and lots of other cars. Making steering lock bigger isn't something impossible, it's realistic, unlike many options in lfs setup.
5. Do you really realise what exactly this thread is about? Sigh.

I assume you don't know that back in S1 days all the cars USED to have 45deg lock. It was reduced to the current levels ages ago with Scawen stating these were realistic levels for each car type. And in general they are.

The community has been through this fight over and over and over again. So yes I know what its about

Quote from Woz :

I assume you don't know that back in S1 days all the cars USED to have 45deg lock. It was reduced to the current levels ages ago with Scawen stating these were realistic levels for each car type. And in general they are.

The community has been through this fight over and over and over again. So yes I know what its about

Of course he knows about it. He also knows that there was no valid reason for reducing it apart from the tyre sticking through the body work. My standard road car has 44 degrees lock. A pro drift car could have up to 65 degrees.

I was under the impression that LfS is a racing simulator. And as it is only the show drifters who need this 45 then it shouldn't be in LfS.

you would think that, buy you would be wrong.