Yeah my keyboard tray is pretty close when heel/toeing too. You'll probably find though that with practice you don't need to move your foot so much though - you don't actually want to plonk your heel flat on the pedal, you can probably just "squidge" the side of the pedal with the edge of your foot and it should be enough.
Yeah my keyboard tray is pretty close when heel/toeing too. You'll probably find though that with practice you don't need to move your foot so much though - you don't actually want to plonk your heel flat on the pedal, you can probably just "squidge" the side of the pedal with the edge of your foot and it should be enough.
I'm not going to stretch and claw my throttle pedal before I heel-toe....
Rubbish definition! Squidging is the result of the meeting of one firm surface with one squishy one. Foot + pedal, nose + window, spider + steel-toe-capped boot.
mrodgers it probably depends on the way the pedals are layed out but I brake using the ball of my foot below the big toe. To blip the throttle I basically just flick my ankle to the right, my foot pivots on the ball and the outside of my foot naturally presses on the throttle. This way you don't have to move your leg at all and thus it makes it much easier to apply constant brake pressure.
Heel-toe is a bit of a misnomer and apparently originates from an old car with a totally different pedal arrangement, I would say the vast majority of people when they heel-toe don't use their heel at all but rather some part of the outside edge of the foot.
Another tip for learning that helped me at the time was to actually sit down at the wheel and pretend I was driving, imagine I was coming to a braking area and slowly go through each motion, eg. apply brake, apply clutch, change gear, blip throttle, disengage clutch, engage clutch, change gear, blip throttle etc. etc. You can do imaginary laps of your favourite track, slowly speeding up the process.
When you try learning in game as you've found out you come to a braking area and you muddle things up and next thing your in a wall.
Heel-toe is a bit of a misnomer and apparently originates from an old car with a totally different pedal arrangement, I would say the vast majority of people when they heel-toe don't use their heel at all but rather some part of the outside edge of the foot.
Another tip for learning that helped me at the time was to actually sit down at the wheel and pretend I was driving, imagine I was coming to a braking area and slowly go through each motion, eg. apply brake, apply clutch, change gear, blip throttle, disengage clutch, engage clutch, change gear, blip throttle etc. etc. You can do imaginary laps of your favourite track, slowly speeding up the process.
When you try learning in game as you've found out you come to a braking area and you muddle things up and next thing your in a wall.
We all feel very sorry for you Kev
The method you first describe is great for all the pedal setups pc wheels come with, I had to change to this one because my accelerator pedal in the BMW is hinged at the bottom.
In the Mazda, all the pedals swung under from the footwell, and the pedals were too far apart to rock right to blip, so I would rotate my foot and use the right hand side of my heel.
The trouble I find, it that I have to push hard on my brakes in the car, and I've got a remarkably stiff throttle pedal (which I'm going to see the docter about later this week), so when I do it in LFS, I find myself locking up all the wheels, and then when I release some brake pressure, I find out I'm also at WOT and the car goes "what the hell kind of transition is that!? I'm going to take this corner backwards to teach you a lesson."
anti-stall - obviously it doesn't just add more fuel, it opens some stupid butterfly arrangement controlled by a servo (for cruise control as well) which allows more air to be sucked in, the air mass sensor detects this and adds more fuel to maintain the right mixture, thus giving more power out the engine.
lmfao
Lol, it's great innit
The other night I had a shot with the G25 on 720* steering, H gate shifter, manual clutch whilst sat in a BRD race frame with a 46" HD LCD tv attached to the frame. Tell you what, it was sooooo real that it all came naturally, just like IRL. The course was FB rallyX, I highly recommend it
Back in my own house it's much more difficult to create that level of immersion in a computer chair and 19" monitor..........and much more difficult to drive with all the thingumies switched on
Just to note, that was an error about left foot braking. It was right foot braking I meant to say......
Been driving a manual since I got my license (1988). No need to heel-toe out on the roads driving to work. I'm amazed at how difficult it is just to use clutch and simply right foot brake even without heel-toe shifting sitting in front of a computer when I've been driving IRL like that for 19 years. I can't left foot brake for my life in a real car.
Yes, I understand the concept and the motions. I started receiving an extreme cramp in my thigh no matter how I tried to reach the throttle while braking.
Spankmeister, I've already watched the first two posted vids. Good thread start there. It will be interesting to watch it all.
If I rock my foot over to the throttle, it gets stuck between the pedals, too much room. If I rotate the foot to hit with the corner of my heel, the cramp comes, ouch! Can't say it's not fun trying (not on race server) as I go barreling into a barrier because I'm not stopping, LOL. I don't think you'll be wanting to see me heel-toe on a race server probably before S3 is released, hehe
@mrodgers, seriously you are aiming to serious injuries like that
Let's see how spring goes, maybe I can join the club then
Let's see how spring goes, maybe I can join the club then
Tonight I may bolt a small extention onto the bottom of my throttle so I can reach with my heel. And, I may try using moccasin style slippers so I'm not just in socks and not in full shoes. My moccasins look like they would be a nice comprimise.
I think my main problem is what part of my foot I use on the pedal after 20 years of driving and 12 years of using a wheel in sim driving. I use my foot way too low on the brake pedal, using just under my toes (between the toes and the ball?) on the bottom of the brake pedal.
I think my main problem is what part of my foot I use on the pedal after 20 years of driving and 12 years of using a wheel in sim driving. I use my foot way too low on the brake pedal, using just under my toes (between the toes and the ball?) on the bottom of the brake pedal.
....especially since your daily driver is an AUTOMATIC....
Don't you go showing up on the forum after being MIA forever just because I sent you an email about this patch and harass me! You know perfectly well why I'm stuck driving an auto at the moment (next 5 years
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lol, jokes on you dude. Automatic transmission have a lot more clutch slippage on shifts than a manual transmission does
The smoother shifting an automatic is, the more clutch pack it burns up for every shift.Unless it has a torque converter
Nope, even with a torque converter.
How did we get here?
Dunno!
A torque converter isn't a clutch (as such), so the clutch isn't slipping (nothing to slip, as such). Semantics.
A torque converter isn't a clutch (as such), so the clutch isn't slipping (nothing to slip, as such). Semantics.
A friend of mine appeared from beyond the woods to make fun of me.
I've driven manuals all my life except for my first car (hand-me-down) and now since I bought my wife a new one and got her old one as a hand-me-down. 5 more years and I get myself a new one too
. Unless I buy used, which is what we are trying to avoid.There are clutches you know, just not at the torque converter's place. Not only one, either. There are multiple clutches in an auto box that hold various parts together for different gears. So each time an auto shifts some clutches slip.
However, I've not experienced auto boxes that are particularly smooth.
Band clutches are a bit of a different story anyway; most of the slippage happens at the torque converter. But yes, by definition there is some slip but nothing compared to a manual transmission.
Ok, sorry if this has been asked before, but it`s is rather loong to read thorught it all.
I seen people moaning about new stuff with gearing, clucths and such (damage to it too). I have those cut/blips things off, and I use clutch senquental (wrong spelled) gears. Will the new patch affect this on any kind, or can I drive like I drive today, without really notice any change?
I seen people moaning about new stuff with gearing, clucths and such (damage to it too). I have those cut/blips things off, and I use clutch senquental (wrong spelled) gears. Will the new patch affect this on any kind, or can I drive like I drive today, without really notice any change?
From what I understand, if you shift without cutting (flat-shifting?) in cars with a sequential gearbox then it won't shift up at all. I don't know if there is going to be an option for this or not.
so I really need trottle cut on upshift and downshift enabled? 
Probally will be slower, but what the heck, new car, maybe new so config, should complain
Probally will be slower, but what the heck, new car, maybe new so config, should complain
No, the overall opinion is that throttle cut on upshift will no more be done for you / option removed. So you will have to lift, else gear will not engage.
Throttle blip done automatically would also go away, so you will have to do it yourself (blip the throttle when you downshift, there is an interesting thread in the beginners section).
If all this happens we are in for more fun, more work and more mistakes!
Throttle blip done automatically would also go away, so you will have to do it yourself (blip the throttle when you downshift, there is an interesting thread in the beginners section).
If all this happens we are in for more fun, more work and more mistakes!
So, will the new update reward clutch and shifter drivers?
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