keep formula cars seperate. kthnx

Quote from Ahriman4891 :

Well exactly how close is the FOX to the real-life Formula Renault? FOX could be a bit slower, which would put it in the same class as FBM

NO, FBM and the FOX arent the same in laptimes, power, speed, keep it like that k?

Quote from Ahriman4891 :

Well exactly how close is the FOX to the real-life Formula Renault? FOX could be a bit slower, which would put it in the same class as FBM

Can you read?

It has been explained in the above posts

Quote from KartRacer :

If you ever see a sanctioned race between Formula BMW's and Formula Renaults, please stop it. It would be dangerous, you don't race different class open wheel cars together IRL. Back markers in Formula One cause enough problems, imagine that kind of thing constantly, with smaller cars and less experienced drivers! Plus it goes against the whole idea of a "feeder" type series. You would have drivers switching cars for different tracks, teams complaining about equality, not to mention manufacturers trying to split the small marketing gain they are getting from a "feeder" open wheel series.

F4 has easily 5 seconds speed differential, at the front end of the field you've got current 1800 Zetecs and motorbike engined cars with wings and slicks, then you've got Formula Fords (no wings), CVH (1600 Escort) engined cars with wings and slicks, then behind them historic FF2000 and glorified Formula Vees with wings are allowed in the rules (although none have shown up for about a decade). Mixed class racing does work IRL, normally in F4 the fastest cars will put at least a lap on the slowest cars over a typical race.

The Morgan series my Dad also races in has far more extreme speed differentials, ranging from standard 4 cylinder cars, with standard suspension, gearboxes, rear drum brakes and road trim right up to full race +8s pushing up to 3 times the power of the back markers and with racing suspension, semi-slick tires, racing gearboxes and clutches, full race brakes and substantial chassis sorting resulting in routine laptime differences of over 10 seconds (the lap record for class A round Pembrey is 1.03, class E 1.23 ). Despite the speed differential I can't think of a single accident in the Morgans caused by the speed differential

As to why you'd want to run them together in LFS, I really don't know over the course of a public race you probably wouldn't even notice the existence of the Formula BMWs unless you came to lap them, which could be done by driving straight past them in a straight line, in other words much easier than the current blue flags in LFS, which are nearly all cars of similar speed.

Huh? I wasn't suggesting anything, I was asking. FOX could be "roughly based" on FRenault, or it could be a very close (unlicensed) copy. For all we know, FOX might be 7% a lap faster than FRenault, or it could be 5% slower -- then, miraculously, it ends up in the same class as FBM.

EDIT: Nevermind, read earlier in the thread.

Quote from Ahriman4891 :

Huh? I wasn't suggesting anything, I was asking. FOX could be "roughly based" on FRenault, or it could be a very close (unlicensed) copy. For all we know, FOX might be 7% a lap faster than FRenault, or it could be 5% slower -- then, miraculously, it ends up in the same class as FBM.

EDIT: Nevermind, read earlier in the thread.

The FOX is a Tatus Formula Renault, the FO8 a Lola F3000. Even the models, let alone the physics are pretty much identical I'm sure you could narrow it down to an exact chassis year if you wanted to they're that close.

I *Think* people are complaining against balancing the two cars in question. I would see no problem if servers like Redline were open to both cars, while telling people they obviously won't be directly competiting against one-another in terms of outright performance.

Quote from srdsprinter :

I *Think* people are complaining against balancing the two cars in question. I would see no problem if servers like Redline were open to both cars, while telling people they obviously won't be directly competiting against one-another in terms of outright performance.

I don't see an issue in a server deciding to balance the cars TBH, it's a nice idea but it probably won't take off like the CTRA Formula Junior/GT2.

Quote from ajp71 :

The FOX is a Tatus Formula Renault, the FO8 a Lola F3000. Even the models, let alone the physics are pretty much identical I'm sure you could narrow it down to an exact chassis year if you wanted to they're that close.

Thanks!

All I'm saying is theres a difference between multiple class racing and multiple car types racing in the same class. The series both work well separate. Even if the cars ran identical lap times at one track, 50bhp is going to make the difference between the cars inconsistent on different tracks.

Quote from KartRacer :

you don't race different class open wheel cars together IRL.

It's happened before. Formula Renault 2000, Formula Renault 1800 and Formula Renault Campus championships used to be together in Germany but I'm not sure if it was all 3 at any point, but definitely 2. I don't remember any real problems, the slower cars just had to be careful in case they were lapped.

EDIT: found a pic.

I regularly race with FFord1600s when grids aren't big enough for separate races. The quick FFord drivers (semi-pro) can just about keep up with the slower 2.0 Slicks and Wings cars, whilst the slower FFords become lap fodder. Rarely any problems though as long as you think a bit.

O/T - J.B Why does it say your a Demo Racer lol?

Because he's not using his S2 account for posting...

Surely he cant have an avatar then?

He has had that avatar since before Victor removed the ability for demo races to have avatars - it has stayed since then. That question has probably been asked a million times already, so back to topic please

My bad

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Huh?
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34749
Patch 30 = Patch Y ?
It means that we can join Patch Y?

Quote from PioneerLv :

Huh?
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=34749
Patch 30 = Patch Y ?
It means that we can join Patch Y?

If no bugs are found then I assume that X30 will become Y, but it's likely that a few days of community testing will lead to X31, X32, etc... before Y is finalised.

so patch y is still a few days off?

Depends on how many bugs you will find.

Yep, this is just public testing.
Official patch is coming out somewhere between now and xmas

FBM replaces XRT in demo.

Too bad for the demo driftorz muaahhahahahaahahhaha

Quote from Blackout :

FBM replaces XRT in demo.

Too bad for the demo driftorz muaahhahahahaahahhaha

Good choice, I think it was finally a good time to update the car selection in the demo... altough XRG should have been removed.

Quote from Blackout :

Too bad for the demo driftorz muaahhahahahaahahhaha

Khihihihiii