Like the "car reset" - "no car reset" I´d like to see "fix engine damage" as an server option.

Or even better, include clutch-overheating as an server option as well.

I´m afraid this new patch might be a difficult implementation for LFS endurance racing.

As an extreme example:

24hours races where you will have to drive 20 hours of them with a damaged engine just isn´t cool. It´s no fun at all.

Retire from the race then? Yes.

Was it a good LFS experience ? No.

dont damage your engine then ?
its not supposed to be 24hrs of hotlapping

Quote from Shotglass :

dont damage your engine then ?
its not supposed to be 24hrs of hotlapping

Agreed.

(...he says, knowing he'll be the one to damage his team's engine in the next enduro race. :P)

I`ll agree with above, take it more easy and you`ll not get these problems. Slow in and fast out Steady does it. The list is long out of nice litte notices that you should be aware of.

Thanks for your comments. It´s not about how you should race an endurance race but about still having a server side option to get your engine repaired during an endurance race.

If no server admin would use this option you could remove it on next patch.Time would show and mayby proove me wrong.

I think some endurance test races with the new patch would make my point more clear as well.

there is no clutch damage to repair, it is heat and the time taken a clutch is ages

i cant think of any endurance series that allows repairing the kind of damage youd get from overreving an engine which currently is the only engine damage lfs has to offer

Quote from james12s :

there is no clutch damage to repair, it is heat and the time taken a clutch is ages

I´m aware of the new patch introduces clutch overheating and not clutch damaging.
I never sayed anything about clutch damage repairing but engine repairing. Not sure I get your point here.

@ I can see your point now. It´s the headline " Engine/clutch repairs as a server option pls.". It should have stated: " Engine repairs/ /clutch overheating as a server option pls."

yeah, that would have been better tbh

i agree with the OP. For sure in a serious league i would keep it but for pick up races and the newbies out there the whole experience must be daunting.

So how does one cool a clutch (other than wait) maybe you could dissemble half the car in the pit box put an ice pack on your clutch then put it back together, in what 30 seconds? Simple solution, wait and don't overheat it next time, just being heat and not permanent damage (unrealistic I might add ) you aren't actually going to be taken out of endurance races just yet.

The current engine damage requires really optimistic down shifting over a long period of time or a really special mistake, both of which would be likely to result in bits of engine flying all over the track.

Quote from R.Kolz :

I´m afraid this new patch might be a difficult implementation for LFS endurance racing.

Give it some time.

It will take some time for everyone to get out of hotlap mode and start driving in a more realistic way, once that happens it want be an issue.

Also there will still probably be some fine tunning of the clutch heat model so would wait for then for final thoughts. So far I find it quite good, have been able to drive most cars with minimal clutch heat build up.


What is endurance racing about if not about racing with an awareness of not damaging mechanical components? I think its a good thing for endurance racing and will only improve the further we go along the LFS development cycle.

IRL I've seen the top contender of a 1000km race crashed out after the 1st corner because he overheated the clutch on start and then couldn't get acceleration or speed down next straight - in a pack of 30+ cars one didn't see him limping along and rear ended him - end result race over. If he didn't get cleaned up the clutch still would have taken at least a full lap to recover while being way off pace.

Also don't forget that most old setups will probably make clutch overheating worse, setups will have to go through a whole new development cyle now

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So how does one cool a clutch (other than wait) maybe you could dissemble half the car in the pit box put an ice pack on your clutch then put it back together, in what 30 seconds? Simple solution, wait and don't overheat it next time, just being heat and not permanent damage (unrealistic I might add ) you aren't actually going to be taken out of endurance races just yet.

The current engine damage requires really optimistic down shifting over a long period of time or a really special mistake, both of which would be likely to result in bits of engine flying all over the track.

I see your sarcasm here.

Actually I´d rather have my pitcrew getting all the ice(-cream) they can get from this very racetrack and putting it on the clutch then handling over a damaged/overheated racecar to my teammate TBO.

"Unrealistic I might add" you state about the introduced clutch performance, and I agree.

I talked to some ppl. meanwhile and in their oppinion the damage/heat isn´t really the problem but more its outcome. It´s too much of a damage like too much of a heating problem the X30-way.

"you aren't actually going to be taken out of endurance races just yet."

You better think twice here.

No chance I´ll continue a endurance race with some engine damage.

As it is a race simulator - it´s still a game and we´re talking endurance races and not the short stuff, you know.

Pls. keep this in mind.

@R.Kolz - what are you driving and what the hell are you doing to it? The FXR and XRR cannot have clutch issues, unless you are really bad at pulling away from the pit box and the road cars I've tried didn't suddenly start frying clutches without me having to adapt my driving style.

Quote from Glenn67 :

.....Give it some time....

Hi there

of course I will give it some time but I just don´t want to see a final patch going public without thinking of endurance races.

I'm starting to quite like the idea of the engine not being fixed, the 24 hour race of MoE is coming up soon and less people will be thrashing there engines just as much because they will be getting bitches at by the next driver.

One unfair thing though, those people who keep the car going for the full 24 hours will notice a performance drop or some sort, while the time outs and shift p's among us will be driving around in fresh cars!! Hmm!

Quote from ajp71 :

@R.Kolz - what are you driving and what the hell are you doing to it? The FXR and XRR cannot have clutch issues, unless you are really bad at pulling away from the pit box and the road cars I've tried didn't suddenly start frying clutches without me having to adapt my driving style.

R.Kolz is my S2 licenced profil and you´ll find out that half of my S2 life is AS3 and FXR.

I´m not at all thinking of myself here.

Quote from ajp71 :

So how does one cool a clutch? (other than wait) maybe you could dissemble half the car in the pit box put an ice pack on your clutch then put it back together, in what 30 seconds?

Umm, cold compressed air blown over it from the acess cover? Cold air from a compressor cand do more cooling than you think, bub!

And this is common on things like the 25hrs of thunderhill... at least, in teams who encounter a simmilar situation and think of shit like this! (cause not everyone is whitty, and there is no rule that says "you cant blow air on your clutch during a pitstop".

EDIT: Albeit, this is not the SMARTEST thing to do, because the dust a clutch makes IS toxic and verybad for you.

Quote from Bawbag :

.....while the time outs and shift p's among us will be driving around in fresh cars!! Hmm! ......

Bawbag 2007. Always one step ahead.

well, the 1-lap penalty for a shift-p should help alleviate the performance gain.

Quote from Bawbag :

One unfair thing though, those people who keep the car going for the full 24 hours will notice a performance drop or some sort, while the time outs and shift p's among us will be driving around in fresh cars!! Hmm!

Go team Australia

Quote from ajp71 :

Go team Australia

Hmm I object to being alluded to as a lagger, from my perspective its all you guys that are lagging