I would like peoples take on Leagues. What do you want to see, it is totally about the race or is it about the atmosphere that is provided by the leagues, or is it just a tool used to help get the team more respect. Could it be a combination of all them. What is your take?

On a side note, I will be starting SimFIA once again with SimFIA F1 Season 2, SimFIA GP2 Season 1, and SimFIA Formula Ford Season 1.

Bring back SimFIA DTM.

The utter starchy nerdiness of (IIRC) SimFIA made me quit before the first race happened.
"We will force real names instead of gamey handles. We're not kiddies here, we're real racing men." And on, and on, ad nauseum. The rulebook was right out of a tax law tome.

Well, lots of LFS leagues these days use real names and plenty more will. LOTA is about to switch to it, methinks, and I wouldn't be surprised if IGTC did as well. Especially with there being "TV" coverage now with SRT.

But I suppose it's all in the way you present the rules.

edit: nice to see you back from ISI hell, Dygear.

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Bring back SimFIA DTM.

Fake DTM is back on SCORE for now and will start in January. The HTML and all such little things has just been finished (avaiting polish) and in just over 30 days we're ready to take off.

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And yes, the real names till stick. No handles, no clan tags, no nothing. Real names or at least real looking names is it.

Internet, serious business!

"Real Names" rules make a league more fun. If I were to join a league, I would definitely use my real name, which of course is Kev Croissant-Soixante-Dangerously III Jnr of Hesselink.

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Fake DTM is back on SCORE for now and will start in January. The HTML and all such little things has just been finished (avaiting polish) and in just over 30 days we're ready to take off.

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And yes, the real names till stick. No handles, no clan tags, no nothing. Real names or at least real looking names is it.

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Internet, serious business!

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So wrong, but so true at same time.

Yeah, I took the rules for SimFIA Formula One from the FiA Formula One rule book. I just omitted the ones that I don't use, and added some that where needed for Live For Speed (There was infact no where in the rule book that said you needed to use your real name BTW).

But it did get hammered out pretty well in the forum, and everyone had a huge hardon for the whole pretend race pilot mannerisms, so that got the snowball rolling.
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What is so wrong with using a proper looking name when you race? I can understand handles in pick up races, but for leagues? A proper looking name, be it real or not, looks a heck of a lot better in a standings table, a driver presentation, a race recap, well you name it. Not to mention if you're actually going to make a video broadcast if it. Can you imagine any commentator reading the name [FLT] c007 dude? I can't!
And that brings up the subject of clan and team tags in names. How bleeding childish is that? If you ever want this sport and hobby to be accepted among those who only understand football and ice-hockey, that never realized racing isn't a sport which purpose is to present spectacular crashes in a potpourri on TV, but a sport to be taken seriously, you better be prepared to present something that looks and feels like a real life sport. Regardless if it's simulated or not. Better to show of your team in the use of proper car paints. That is something even I can accept.

It's not the formal name tags I'm saying are wrong; just exceedingly nerdy.
I agree real names help with presenting it to the sort of audience you're talking about (although the way you describe the situation is exagerated) do help, but it's not necessary to get anal about it.
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In the above video there's a few game-names that don't spoil the fun at all. What's bleeding childish is grown men pretending the pixel cars they're driving are serious business. The FIA series got way too bloated with rules and regulations, the majority of players started sounding really full of themselves like they were wearing napoleon uniforms and that just kills the fun.

Ok so there are a few names there that aren't that bad, but there are some that really disturbs the presentation. And be honest here... Those handles take away some of the feeling right there during the driver lineup. Would have been so much more consistent with real names all the way.

Maybe I am being anal about this sort of things but I've been organizing races for almost 5 years now and I feel it's time for this sport to come out of the closet. And one step towards that goal IMO is using proper names. Another step is to have worked out rules that cover most things that goes on before, during and after an online race. The rules does not have to be as detailed as the real FiA rules, but they need to be detailed enough.

For the last two years I've basically used the same set of rules on SCORE and I've got few complaints. The rules work, they are hard to misinterpret and they are all made up with the good of the drivers in mind. Detailed? Yes, but not overworked in any way.

Just take a look at www.esport-racing.com and see how its done. eTM is as close and possible to real DTM and yet not silly at all and its perfectly practical in sim world. Real sponsor that are teams of two drivers, real prizes, real coverage, all live, real great racing, real career advancement, relegation... Why make and call something Fake DTM, SimFIA DTM, when theres real eTM already.

People have run away from SimFIA because it was just too silly, and made it seem all like a sim-racing-role-playing game with SimFIA as dungeon-master (which indeed was fun for a while, I've been a Ferrari driver ). Dygear insited on those behind the scene things, and real world restrictions which are not important to us at all, and just stand in the way in sim world, so it wasn't really that much fun (nor serious) as intended.

I'd rather like to see an American division in eTM, and Hungarian, Scandinavian, Polish etc national eTM leagues in the same system that works well, than see other people trying to make essentially same thing separately. I was also organizing leagues and now I'm working on putting Balkan eTM division together, as in that way eSport (meant as a general term, but of course specific organization) can really grow and really mean something.

eSport Online Ligen together with Race Authority (CTRA) as an appeal court and local admins as race marshals is exactly what Dygear wanted SimFIA to be as I understand. eTM is only the first series, same system for open wheelers on different levels (I suspect BF1 for internations, FO8, FOX and FBM for nationals) is next in the plans.

So, joining forces is surely better for everybody don't you think?

Looks nice that site, really does. And not a handle in site as far I can tell, right? But you mention DTM while this looks more like Porsche SuperCup or something. Not that this is a bad thing, not at all, but it's not Audi or Mercedes paints on the FXR
Oh and not everyone understand German. I like what I see, but I can't really judge it until everything is translated to English (like the rules section).

Still, there are those who like something in between the fully professional and the sandbox. And that's where SCORE and series like Fake DTM come in. Real enough, but on a level that fits 37 year old fathers of three that doesnt have 8 hours a day, 7 days a week to practice, to become competitive on a professional level.