sorry for the wrong link, i keep getting the FXO and FOX mixed up....oooops

glad this thread helped Vilante.

Im now consistently getting 1:11s which is great (still with a few spins)
but im enjoying it alot more, still punching stuff when i crash, but im like that in everygame, not good really how games make me so angry :|

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sorry for the wrong link, i keep getting the FXO and FOX mixed up....oooops

glad this thread helped Vilante.

Im now consistently getting 1:11s which is great (still with a few spins)
but im enjoying it alot more, still punching stuff when i crash, but im like that in everygame, not good really how games make me so angry :|

Why not post a replay of your current skills? Then we can suggest improvements based on that. I would really like to get you into the regular 10's, and I see no reason (based on your willingness to learn) why we can't get the odd high 9 out of you with a bit of time.

ok let me go run a few laps, gimme 5-10 mins

wow that sessions pissed me off, got a few 1:11s had ALOT of crashes.....but i did get a 1:10. lap 1 of attached, the other laps on there are useless.

my problem is consistency atm.

My major problem atm is T1, on the exit i spin so many times, and if i hold back i feel im losing time, its doing my head in. Also after the long straight, i have been in 4th going round that turn and the chicane, should i be in 5th, i tried it once and it seemed a little quicker, although in 4th it feels i have more control of the car

how much accel dif locking do you have? drop it down if you're having trouble with throttle spins at low speed.

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My major problem atm is T1, on the exit i spin so many times, and if i hold back i feel im losing time, its doing my head in.

I have the same problem there but I think I can be smoother and get a better line with practice.

Yeah, the T1 exit seems to be a purely skill based section. You simply have to get the feel how much you can push and no amount of setup haxing is going to help you here. Your mind plays tricks on you, too. You already see a little straight or a a light bend and think you can floor it right now, but boy that inclination change ruins your day shortly after.

However, in online races it's better to lose some time there by going safe, instead of losing 5 places due to a spin. Personally, I don't do hotlapping at all - it seems a bit pointless to me (a good hotlap doesn't make you win races). Actually, I'm ususally faster w/o the "hotlap" mode, because I don't always think about "be careful, don't touch any objects, don't spin, .... etc etc" - thinking makes you slower.

i only do hotlap for replay purposes, even if i touch the ground ill carry on, not bothered about whether its valid or not

This thread's great.

I too have knocked over a second off my PB (mid 1:10s now) with Tristan's tips and set. However, I'm not consistent now - I keep spinning on T1/T2 as well. Now I don't know yet if it's the setup or me just pushing harder - I'm going to try my old set again and see the difference. (But not until tomorrow night now due to work. Booo. )

Thanks guys...

On campus at the moment so I can't watch that replay Squirrel, but I will when I get home (which may be earlier than I expected as the computers I need to use here on campus are all taken - damn my crappy uni and it's stupid systems).

Am pleased that several people have benefitted from my set and advice, and I am more than willing to (within reason) help others too.

T1 at Blackwood is hard yes. As for putting on the power you've got to be very gentle with the throttle and be ready to unwind the lock (and apply opposite) very quickly. To start with it might be worth lowering the power side of the diff, but don't go too far as it will cause problems in the high speed corners later in the lap - inside wheel wheelspin and what have you.

If you are only struggling there, try using a higher gear in T1 and see if your first sector times improve (or just become more consistent). I'll have a look at the replay and I'll have a think about how I exit T1 a bit later. I don't think I do anything special I can tell you, but most of my driving is instinctive and actually analysing what I'm doing isn't the easiest task.

Okay, watched it (first thing I did when I got back).

Lets discuss your quick lap:

Could save a bit of time by trail braking into T1 - that is turning in before you've come off the brakes, but only steering more as you brake less. Not the easiest of things to learn, but it's worth trying (and is useful in any car at many tracks).

On the exit you were okay - could probably use a smidgen more power on that lap, but it's a fine line between grip and slip. The main thing was that you ruined your line into the chicane, which meant you had to lift (I think you could have just got away without a lift, but then I wasn't driving ). Your line on the second lap there was better. Not lifting means you leave the chicane slightly faster, and by the end of the straight that extra speed can add up to a considerable amount - like 0.2 seconds.

Into T3 you were okay - I use 4th myself a lot of the time as it seems to control the back a bit more, although 5th is faster. Good line all the way through.

In the Esses you did well - resisting the urge to lift when you used both kerbs. I'd try to use a bit less of both kerbs - the first one has a steeper inner section that can throw the car into oversteer, whilst the second kerb (via oversteer) just scrubs of speed - can cost 0.15 seconds there alone.

Turn 6 is (imo) the hardest corner, and you took it well if a bit conservatively. I think you can take it at 90mph and you were 5mph below that iirc. Might not sound much, but the difference between a 1m10 and a 1m9 is all in the petty details. Good line though.

Last turn - very good, although I can almost hear you hold your breath through there. Little lift was perfect. If you're very brave (and a bit lucky) you can just do that turn flat I think, or at the most briefly going to 50% throttle.

Watch your lines down the back straight and the start-finish straight too. Take the shortest line in both if you can, as you'll cover SLIGHTLY less ground = quicker

As for your consistency I think it's more concentration based - you seem to forget to brake at the right moment, or do something as if you've drifted off. But thats only from watching a replay, so I apologise if you didn't think you're weren't concentrating.

My Braking points (from memory)
T1 = 100m board
T3 = start of kerb on left
T6 = 60m I think (just before 50m board)

It's not worth trying to brake later than this (well, you can go a bit deeper into T1 but I find it makes the exit even harder). Braking earlier is quicker than braking later, so if in any doubt just brake 2 or 3 m earlier.

you are a legend tristan, thanks for all that advice.

i know what you mean about T6, i always go through it thinking i coul dhave been faster, and the last turn sometimes it nicely kicks you into it, others not so nice.

ill keep practicing though based on that advice and perhaps come back on here with some more replays in a week or so and see what else could possibly done.

many thanks

Whee, I just made my first few hotlaps ever, new PB (1:09.73)
I ruined it a bit on the T7, tho.

E: Wahoo, 1:09.49 1:09.37 1:09.19

Silly question but is there a way to see what your best time is on a certain track in a certain car?

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Either visit http://www.lfsworld.net/ or - in game - if you're on the circuit and in the car, type "/w pb" in chat (without the quotes).

Thank you very much mate!!

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No, I meant like, view them in LFS

No you can't.

I just tried to watch a replay of my doing a few laps in a LX4 (had to format so game unlocked and I've spent them all XD), it says it cannot load the car.

OK, here's a lap of mine - I've gone back to my old setup and tried to take on board the tips.

I know I missed the apex on T3, but I don't know of any other mistakes?

Thanks for looking

Paul

Ok, watched your replay, mostly you "just" have to get cleaner and smoother through the corners. Compared it to my (far from perfect) hotlap, and these are the results:

1) Your setup clearly has more downforce, so the twisty stuff is the most important to you, yet I take many corners faster or equally fast.

Some numbers (A = me, G = you):

2) On T1, you were a whooping 10km/h faster through the turn, but in the end, you were still slower. Why? Ever heard of the principle: "slow in, fast out"? While you came through the bend way quicker, I accellerated earlier and didn't drift so much to the outside of the corner. It looked like you were fighting quite a bit.

3) In the chicane, you have to go a bit more right on entering, or you will hit the middle curb too hard. You lost quite some speed there (which is most important for the long straight, even more important because you have higher DF). At the last curb you had some 155ish km/h while I was already at 160+

4) Your worst mistake was clearly T3 and it cost you alot of time. Some part of the slower sector 2 time was surely caused by the lower max speed (which was also caused by the chicane curb hopping), but T3 was killer.

5) T4 was quite OK, but you could still go faster there (heh, easy saying). I remember when I used my setup with +1° more front/back wing than now, I was able to go through there with minimum 160. You have probably even more or atleast equal DF so you should also manage more than now.

6) T6 could've been taken a good chunk faster, 150 should've been possible. But this is probably the hardest corner after T1 exit, so all you can really do there is practice practice and then practice some more. Personally I found it easier to brake very closely before 50m rather than at 60m because at 60m I'd always turn in too early and hit the curb like an idiot

7) T7 was again quite ok, but like I said, with that DF you have the potential to go through there quite a bit faster.


Summarized, it was already a good & competitive lap (besides T3, ugh *g*) but it's just the small things that add up.

Android is now officially faster than me, so he can take over in here...

*passes the buck*

Just to add for MrGrumpy: I've test-driven your setup for about 10 laps and the best I've managed so far is 1:09.98, so the setup definitely has some potential.

Wahoo, 1:09.37 with my setup

Wow. Thanks for the time you've obviously put in there.

I'll knock off some wing, and focus on the slow in, bit and practice 'til the burning smell coming from my wheel gets too much

Thanks again mate.

Paul

Another thing, I may have exxagerated/overestimated the importance of the slow T1 a bit. On my last PB I did drive through there much more like you did on your lap and I wasn't slower at all, but it seemed way more risky and on the edge. The chicane still remains very important though, so no matter how you take T1, the chicane has to be perfect or you lose quite some time.

Oh and yes, removing a bit of wing may be a good idea, not for online races, though

E: Ahhahahahah 1:09.19

can i try your set Android?

Actually, the last PB was driven with Csimpok's setup (modified by Biohazard)

The ony change I made was +1° to rear wing

i hate this f*****g game, i cant even complete a bloody lap now without spinning these stupid cars that feel like their on ice. so fed up with it. if it carries on liek this im just gonna delete the bloody thing and sell my wheel