The online racing simulator
Quote from Gunn :Meh, what else can we say? The devs aren't going to change their minds just because a person who doesn't even own the game disagrees with the direction LFS has taken. Ultimatums from demo users won't change anything. I hope they buy a license and join us in the full LFS S2. But not all demo users are complaining or making demands. There are many thousands of them, but only a handful complaining.

demo racer think they have the right to have the xrt and other stuff but they dont have it they used it enought and now its time to play the lfs demo "y" is not mor bad than evry other demo game i guess its better than
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s2 is not expensif just ask to parents or something or find a job
#2 - JTbo
Quote from Gunn :Meh, what else can we say? The devs aren't going to change their minds just because a person who doesn't even own the game disagrees with the direction LFS has taken. Ultimatums from demo users won't change anything. I hope they buy a license and join us in the full LFS S2. But not all demo users are complaining or making demands. There are many thousands of them, but only a handful complaining.

But how about this?

Demo user, possible 36£ of income
S2 Licensed user, possible 12£ of income

Convincing demo user to buy licence is much more worth than keeping S2 user satisfied.

Just trying to bring another angle to subject
Quote from lfs-drift staff :they have a computer ? an Home ? Internet? telephone ? THEY CANT HAVE 24£ ITS R.I.D.I.C.U.L.O.U.S let me lought a lot... they need to be financed to buy the game or what ?

Heh yeah.... $24 is (here in norway atleast) about half of what a normal game costs. Or around the same price as a big pizza and a coke. And far less what most people waste on beer later tonight... :drink:
Quote from hagenisse :Heh yeah.... $24 is (here in norway atleast) about half of what a normal game costs. Or around the same price as a big pizza and a coke. And far less what most people waste on beer later tonight... :drink:

:P agree

and its the christmass no one get money at this time ? dont play the poor card
#5 - avih
This thread is silly. A demo isn't a free replacement for the full game and not made for the masses to have a free game. It's a glimps of the full game, and a better glimps than most other demos out there. So now this glimps lost it's drifting capabilities. Since LFS is NOT about drifting, even if it's possible, it only makes the demo more appropriate. If you like the demo and buy LFS, very good. If you like the demo and can't afford LFS, that sucks, but doesn't differ from any other thing you can't aford. It's a good demo, better than other demos around and represents LFS very good. Now people should take their choice and stop whining.
Quote from daanroof :I don't get it, how the F*** can u say that the demo is too good?
3cars and 1 track isn't very much for a demo user, even though many demos just have 1car and 1track. I was gonna buy an S2 License but now that you removed the XRT from the demo, i can't help but to feel bad about that many demo users can't afford to buy it. So there wont be any license for me now. maybe when S3 is released.
Personally i don't think LFS is the best racing sim out there anymore..

And I'm sure you have enough money to buy Crysis
Demos are Demos - Chapter Ten Thousand

BUY THE GAME.

The FBM, is a real car. A younger brother to the Formula One car. Buy S2 to get the BF1. And when you first play LFS, it tells you not to use keygens.

Personally, I don't give a crap about drifters. Sure, NFSU was fun for a while, then they got obsessed with it. Demos are demos, I had to live with it for about 3 weeks, then I bought S1. 3 weeks later, came S2. During the time I was playing the demo, I absuloutly hated the XRT, due to the lack of a G25. The MRT was fun(when I bought S1), and so was the CTRA(Was STCC back then).
Quote from niall09 :And I'm sure you have enough money to buy Crysis

i never played that game
#9 - Gunn
Quote from JTbo :But how about this?

Demo user, possible 36£ of income
S2 Licensed user, possible 12£ of income

Convincing demo user to buy licence is much more worth than keeping S2 user satisfied.

Just trying to bring another angle to subject

Another angle: many demo users who have enjoyed the XRT for free for so long may now finally be prompted to get licensed. Those who have been deliberately sponging for ages probably wouldn't fork out the money no matter how good/bad the demo was.
its funny beacause in the demo they can see what they dont have and that can push them to buy s2
Quote from niall09 :And...


Anyway, I bet you he could afford any PS3/Xbox360 game

agree

how much you want to bet
Quote from joen :Get of your lazy frecking ass and get a job! Jeez.

lol, have u thought of people that r too young then? for example, im only 14, how should i get a job? I have the money so thats not a problem for me but still there r players that can't get a job so they get the money
Quote from daanroof :lol, have u thought of people that r too young then? for example, im only 14, how should i get a job? I have the money so thats not a problem for me but still there r players that can't get a job so they get the money

ITS THE CHRISTMAS ASK FOR AN S2 LICENSE ! god damn OR STAY ON LFS "X" your crying about nothing orr if you realy need money just rent your body
Quote from JTbo :But how about this?

Demo user, possible 36£ of income
S2 Licensed user, possible 12£ of income

Convincing demo user to buy licence is much more worth than keeping S2 user satisfied.

Just trying to bring another angle to subject

Quite a nice change of perspective, but it has flaws :P

1) Turn it round and you'll get following chart:
Money gained from a demo user: 0£
Money gained from a s2 user: 24£

2) You have to make people pay for LfS, and the best was to achieve that isn't in giving the demo users content (which is, after reaching a critical mass, counter-productive: if they have enough content, they feel no need to upgrade).

3) I think it is more likely for S2 users to pay for S3 than it is for demo users. We have a saying that goes like this: "A sparrow in one's hand is better than a dove on the roof", meaning that getting 12£ almost surely is better than the remote chance for getting 36£.

And some demo users really make me laugh!
In how is LfS a worse simulator than before if it doesn't have the XRT? The simulation hasn't changed, it even got better with the new clutch heat. I can understand if the sim is less fun to you, but it's not a worse simulator because of that.

And I really do fear the prospect of a large scale demo user boycott. Just imagine what it would mean to LfS! I mean, the consequences would be... unimaginable!
#16 - joen
Quote from daanroof :lol, have u thought of people that r too young then? for example, im only 14, how should i get a job? I have the money so thats not a problem for me but still there r players that can't get a job so they get the money

Mow some lawns, wash some cars, ask to do some other chores for people, get a paper round, get a good report card in school so maybe you get a reward from your parents or family, save up your allowance if you get any, ask it as a birthday or christmas present, the possibilities are endless. I had a paper round when I was 12/13.

But in the end, once again, it's not LFS's problem if you don't have or can't get money, it does not automatically entitle you to anything.
#17 - JTbo
Quote from Gunn :Another angle: many demo users who have enjoyed the XRT for free for so long may now finally be prompted to get licensed. Those who have been deliberately sponging for ages probably wouldn't fork out the money no matter how good/bad the demo was.

Yes, they will get prompted to get licensed, but I feel sometimes here it is not so friendly atmosphere against demo users, they are similar people when compared to those that have S2, some may be bit unsure and some may have just few questions or even some complains before moving to S2, if they are treated like scum, it may affect to their decision to get game, maybe they can get impression that they are not welcome at all.

You all write so damn fast

From my opinion removing XRT was good thing, there will be sure more people now that get license. My rather unclear point here was that demo users are very valuable too, support them, guide them, don't bash them and they will learn or find something else to do. Helping them to find why they should buy product they use will have much better results than yelling them how stupid they are and practically saying good that you leave. I believe this board is also one marketing channel of LFS and we should at least try to keep that on mind too
Quote from JTbo :Yes, they will get prompted to get licensed, but I feel sometimes here it is not so friendly atmosphere against demo users, they are similar people when compared to those that have S2, some may be bit unsure and some may have just few questions or even some complains before moving to S2, if they are treated like scum, it may affect to their decision to get game, maybe they can get impression that they are not welcome at all.

they are ! but some demo AND s2 user forget the respect. like i said before the respect is the key for the relationship !
lol, did i complain about patch Y?
I told u that I can buy it if i want to so don't call me "your crying about nothing" u r the one crying about that some ppl cant afford it, lol.
The price, for me is not a big deal so stop saying that im a ****ing "your crying about nothing"
Quote from daanroof :lol, did i complain about patch Y?
I told u that I can buy it if i want to so don't call me "your crying about nothing" u r the one crying about that some ppl cant afford it, lol.
The price, for me is not a big deal so stop saying that im a ****ing "your crying about nothing"

you can earn money from evrywhere just leave your chair AND CMON its the christmas ask to your family
Quote from daanroof :lol, have u thought of people that r too young then? for example, im only 14, how should i get a job? I have the money so thats not a problem for me but still there r players that can't get a job so they get the money

I was doing little jobs for my family when I was 13, hell I bought my license when I was 14. So there are way's to earn enough money.
I feel bad for the demo users who've been evaluating the demo for six months to a year, and had just about decided to buy S2, and then this happened!

I mean, drifting in the demo for a whole year? Whatever you say about these people, you have to concede that they conduct thorough evaluations.
#23 - joen
Quote from daanroof :u r the one crying about that some ppl cant afford it, lol.

Quote from daanroof :I was gonna buy an S2 License but now that you removed the XRT from the demo, i can't help but to feel bad about that many demo users can't afford to buy it. So there wont be any license for me now.

Erh, you were the one that brought it up.

I have a good job, yet I can't afford, let's say an Aston Martin DB9. Does that mean I should be entitled to get an unlimited test drive when I go to the car dealer? After all, I can't afford it so they could at least try to understand my situation and let me keep driving it. They are so dumb for taking it away from me!
I am always amazed at the threads where demo users moan about what they get for free.

There is always more demo racers than S2 on the LFSWorld stats so its about time the Devs did some sort of time online limit or at least something to make the demo have a time limit.

I fully understand that some people cannot afford to buy the game but why should demo drivers have the same say as S2 drivers or even any say at all

Is it not time that this forum had a Demo section and all the other sections were locked so they cannot post.

The more things you get for buying S2 the more will buy it.
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