Quote from leigh76 :

And you all gotta admit, manual blipping, sounds soooooooo cool

I have a wheel (a shit one at that) which hasn't got a clutch pedal, and by choice I have auto clutch switched off. I like the fact I should use my clutch properly (with a button) and look after the car a bit more. Saying that, before the patch came out I had a habit of using manual clutch so I kind of got a little headstart with it.

I would eventually like to get a new wheel with a 3 pedal setup (G25 preferably) and then learn to heel and toe. All this comes in good time though.

How many others without a clutch pedal have auto clutch off?

Seriously people, 100% straight out, i cannot wait for suspension damage, engine wear and small damages possibly like the side mirror ripping off, people will crash and complain they cant see people behind them. People will slam Fern Bay kerbs and damage the suspension, people will complain, "my car is supposed to be superman, not a car!" I WANT MY MONEY BACK, S1 FTW

Quote from aoun :

Seriously people, 100% straight out, i cannot wait for suspension damage, engine wear and small damages possibly like the side mirror ripping off, people will crash and complain they cant see people behind them. People will slam Fern Bay kerbs and damage the suspension, people will complain, "my car is supposed to be superman, not a car!" I WANT MY MONEY BACK, S1 FTW

Same here.

Quote from leigh76 :

Just in case its relevent to you, i use a Dual Force Pro with my old Wingman wheel plugged in and hidden away out of view, and i use 1 pedal from the wingman set as a clutch, might sound chuffing crazy........but it works really well, not least of all because you can place the clutch pedal where you want, ive heard the g25 pedals are a bit close together, but im just going from what other people have mentioned (and ive got size 11 feet) and before someone calls me a noob or an ass or something, it DOES work well

thats exactly what i did... untill my dfp pedals broke. now i am stuck with some beat down old df pedals.

i cant see how improving this game makes it worse for some people, its never been better and its now another step closer to being just like the real thing, which, if you bought this game, is what you should be expecting, a racing simulator

Quote from wildwilly :

i cant see how improving this game makes it worse for some people, its never been better and its now another step closer to being just like the real thing, which, if you bought this game, is what you should be expecting, a racing simulator

I feel like the good majority of the people who appreciate a true racing simulator (which is what LFS is turning in to) keep repeating themselves over and over again.

I can talk and talk until I'm blue in the face (no pun intended ) but these primitive Neanderthals who call themselves "racers" will never understand how LFS has evolved for the better. Just let the complainers leave. We've explain ourselves enough already.

I can then safely assume that the "grippers" are higher up on the evolution scale than the drifters. Based on the heavy amounts of complaining we are receiving.

It seems we are at the dawn of a new era for LFS.

Quote from Fat-Alfie :

I'm a 35 year-old occasional player. I use a gamepad for convenience, and I don't want to spend that much money on a wheel. This new patch has made it almost impossible for me to play; it's not practical to reduce the revs for each and every gear change using a joypad, and all the fun has gone for me.

Before patch y I was able to finish a job (I'm a graphic designer who works from home), start up LFS and enjoy a 10-lap race against AIs just to rest my brain from working. This was the reason I bought S2. I can no longer do this. If it's suposed to be a pure simulator why have AI drivers? They are artificial. Surely this game should be a balance of reality and accessibility. Not everyone uses a wheel and I strongly feel that provisions should be made for non-wheel users.

Lastly, is it possible for me to revert back to the previous patch?

Well all I have to do to change gear is move my right thumb down 1mm, and press the R1 button on my PS2 pad. I fail to see how it is impossible for you to do that?

i want the power cut option back.
looks like i'm to fast in shifting. with lifting

Quote from olson :

i want the power cut option back.
looks like i'm to fast in shifting. with lifting

Hmm and you say that in your first post? You just need practise at shifting and lifting your foot at the right time. I have had a few quick goes in lfs and I got use to it within few laps. It seriously is no biggie!

Close this thread, we have plenty of these....

Quote from sinbad :

I like the patch, very little has changed for me, I have no problems with clutch or tyres. I'm sorry that some don't like the patch.
That's about all that needs to be said by most of us right? No need to start this snowball rolling and rolling was there, certainly no need to start throwing the "noob it's a sim" insults about.

Just after releasing the patch it's natural we have so different oppinions, "I hate", "I love"...

We must let it stay for a while, give it some weeks to be tested in leagues, endurances, etc... and then constructive and legitimate critics will arise, and I'm sure that if things are wrong in the simulation, they will be changed. You have been here for a while, so you know it's true

The good news is that the more people decide they can't drive a realistic sim ("throttle off, shift up" is realistic, just try to find the blip/cut settings in a real car) the better the community is going to get, and the better quality the S2 driving is going to be.

I bet the majority of the people complaining about the inability to drive a lap without burning the clutch, are the same people who spam blue flag messages, barge their way through T1 and pay no attention to the cars around them at any point on the track. Remove them and you have something beautiful.

I repeat: the only time I've ever burning the clutch was when I was actively trying to do it. It's not that hard to remember this key phrase: "lift when you shift". Look, it even rhymes and everything. Come on people, this is a "simulator". It is striving to be as realistic as possible, therefor as time goes on we are going to lose the non-realistic features. Get used to it.

The only time I saw the clutch heat was when I was testing the effects of it, and when I let my mate (whom has never played LFS) drive the FBM for a couple of laps. Unless you are completely missing your shift-points or doing something else which I cannot explain - there is no way in hell that the clutch will heat up during a normal race. I see no problem here.

okay, the new patch has negatives and positives....

one negative on my list is the clutch... it gets toasted when i try new sets and its gearing
but a screw here and a screw there and i can live with it and i have only one millimeter orange
@drifters: zero to clutch preload and all works fine

to the positives: the new gearbox simulation is now better for my driving style so i have a much faster feeling with the new patch...
the most important improved thing is the updated blackwood track, the new chicane and the section after the backstraight is much better than before.

like the new patch, however (waits for flaming) Not all of us drive with wheel/pedals. I find i can keep the clutch good by lifting when changing on the H Pattern g/boxes, however, because i still use a Joystick, throttle and brake are on the same axis, and its very easy when trying to drive fast to back off throttle and onto brakes. That said i can live with it, but having the auto cut on upshift option was nicer, I'll just have to work at only backing off to nothing instead of back to brakes... Merry Christmas btw

Quote from senn :

like the new patch, however (waits for flaming) Not all of us drive with wheel/pedals. I find i can keep the clutch good by lifting when changing on the H Pattern g/boxes, however, because i still use a Joystick, throttle and brake are on the same axis, and its very easy when trying to drive fast to back off throttle and onto brakes. That said i can live with it, but having the auto cut on upshift option was nicer, I'll just have to work at only backing off to nothing instead of back to brakes... Merry Christmas btw

Ok, but you have to understand there must be some compromise when developing a racing simulator. There comes a time when the features show that a car is driven with a wheel and pedals for some reason. If you could control the car with a keyboard like you do with a whell the that would mean there is something wrong with LFS.

No flaming intended here There are some cheap wheels you can get out there, and the clutch pedal is not necessary to play LFS, you can play, race, and win without a G25, keep that in mind.

People blaming on the physics.... now it's harder?
Man... who tell you racing it's easy?
Why now it's more "fake" than previous version?
Maybe we should just believe that "real life it is how it is in the game", because 95% of us have nothing real to compare.

Quote from Eldanor :

No flaming intended here There are some cheap wheels you can get out there, and the clutch pedal is not necessary to play LFS, you can play, race, and win without a G25, keep that in mind.

I actually own a DFP, however i don't have the space/desk in my house at the moment to be able to setup the computer that way. And i disagree, you do really need a clutch pedal now, button clutch is a bit, weird

My ten pence worth.

Havn't read all the crap above but I get the jist.

For them that drift, LFS prides itself on realistic modelling of real cars. That includes real clutches. In Real Life, you try and drift your unmodded Honda Civic and you'll soon find you have no clutch left. In fact it'll burn out a hell of a lot quicker than the ones in LFS do. And they are lot more expensive to replace than it is to go buy Rfactor or Project Gotham or whatever is out there now that pandas to your sad addiction to sideways action. True drifters have uprated clutches that are designed to slip, balanced brakes with many man hours and muchos dollari spent on them to take corners slow and sideways. They also have a rubber bill that would make most of the prostitutes in Nevada blush. LFS has got more realistic for not allowing you your playtime and forcing you to clutch shift properly.

At some point in the future LFS might let you uprate your clutch in your standard road going 'Sim' car. But as yet it can't, or won't. At some point we will all have FFB pedals that will allow to really balance the car. But you guys will still moan (Particularily americans)because you can't drive a stick shift. You ever tried drifting an auto? Don't happen (I am preparing myself to the correction because I am sure someone, somewhere is/has doing/dun it.)

Drifting is a minority sport in LFS. You've had it good so far that you've been able to do it. Unfortunatly (for you) LFS is all about being realistic and things are only going to get worse for you. Bst you come learn how to drive with all four wheels pointing in approx. the same direction and find out what real racing is all about.

Nuf sed.

*Edit* Prehaps using a Civic (seeing how its FWD) was a bit pants. Someone who knows about these things find a car that disalusioned peoples try and use.

Quote from senn :

I actually own a DFP, however i don't have the space/desk in my house at the moment to be able to setup the computer that way. And i disagree, you do really need a clutch pedal now, button clutch is a bit, weird

I've been using auto clutch for ages and I could keep the pace. Can't you use auto clutch anymore in Y?

you can use auto clutch, BUT if you don't back off throttle in the cars with H Pattern Gearboxes, you warm your clutch up pretty quick and it slips. There used to be 2 extra clutch options - Blip throttle on downshift (revved engine to match revs when downshifting) and CUt throttle on upshift (same deal except cuts throttle to match revs on upshift) Both of these options are no longer available, so you have to do it manually, or you will fry your clutch

But, why do people find that hard to lift the gas when changing gears?

Releasing the gas is a natural move when changing a gear, it's something you do in real cars, do you people flatshift when going to work or something? Did your driving school teach you to flatshift?

There is no flame intended I swear, it's just that I don't understand.

well , lemme say the exact opposite of the thread starter , and i dont care too as far as im concerned , i never overheated the cluth .. im using a 3 pedals set.. plus , the physics are all good to me , i feel more feedback on my wheel , those little vibrations etc i didnt have before this patch.. just to say that this patch is a step ahead ! grats to the devs.. and one more thing , i love the new analog speedo !

actually I hate this patch too. Not the physics ofcourse, But BL1. It looks that i cant drive as i usually did in X10. But nvm there are plenty of other tracks to drive IMO

Quote from senn :

I actually own a DFP, however i don't have the space/desk in my house at the moment to be able to setup the computer that way. And i disagree, you do really need a clutch pedal now, button clutch is a bit, weird

I've been using autoclutch with no problems since I got LFS.