does the H pattern work in XR GTR

why not?

I'm 99% sure it doesn't work. It's unrealistic to use a H pattern in an FXR or XRR anyway, almost every championship with cars of that sort of level IRL uses sequentials. It's more realistic for the FZR as a lot of the Porsche GT cars are H pattern.

that blows but thanks for responses

Quote from duke_toaster :

I'm 99% sure it doesn't work. It's unrealistic to use a H pattern in an FXR or XRR anyway, almost every championship with cars of that sort of level IRL uses sequentials. It's more realistic for the FZR as a lot of the Porsche GT cars are H pattern.

there is a big difference between doesn't work and unrealistic it will work but it will be very crappy because you will have to get used to press the clutch and not let the throttle every time you change gear and all this will make you slow

I personally dont car if im slower so PLEASE GIVE US THE OPTION OF H PATTERN IN XRR

Quote from duke_toaster :

I'm 99% sure it doesn't work. It's unrealistic to use a H pattern in an FXR or XRR anyway, almost every championship with cars of that sort of level IRL uses sequentials. It's more realistic for the FZR as a lot of the Porsche GT cars are H pattern.

It's not "more realistic", just depends on how much money the team has. Porsche GT cars have sequential shifters too, just not many teams have them because they Porsche boxes are so insanely expensive.

Quote from duke_toaster :

I'm 99% sure it doesn't work. It's unrealistic to use a H pattern in an FXR or XRR anyway, almost every championship with cars of that sort of level IRL uses sequentials. It's more realistic for the FZR as a lot of the Porsche GT cars are H pattern.

That is complete bollocks, please don't post things you don't have a clue about. All modern GT cars have both sequential and H-gate gearbox options available, the costs of which are similar and in an endurance race the speed differential isn't that great. It largely comes down to personal preference. There's nothing unrealistic about a front engined RWD GT car with an H-gate gearbox, a works BMW won the Nurburgring 24 hours with one and from what I've seen personally a high than average proportion of 911s are on sequential gearboxes.

One of hte BMW teams in STCC chose to run with 6 speed sequential gearbox this year, instead of the normal 5 speed H pattern box that is more usual in those cars. They got a weight penalty for it, don't know how much, but there is a difference in performance.

Would be cool to have the option, maybe with an automatic weight penaltyfor the sequential box, should we shose to use it. Just an idea.

Quote from X-Ter :

Would be cool to have the option, maybe with an automatic weight penaltyfor the sequential box, should we shose to use it. Just an idea.

I like that idea

Only a single BMW ran in the BTCC with a H pattern box, wasn't any slower than a sequential one, not sure why someone would choose H pattern over sequential, other than the cost, though.

Quote from danowat :

Only a single BMW ran in the BTCC with a H pattern box, wasn't any slower than a sequential one, not sure why someone would choose H pattern over sequential, other than the cost, though.

I know a pilot racing a Porsche in the Belgian "BelCar" series. I asked him about the gearbox, and he said they were a bit slower because they didn't have a sequential gearbox, but the costs of the gearbox are so high they just couldn't afford it. In a race you won't notice much of the car being slower, but there really is a small difference.

Quote from danowat :

Only a single BMW ran in the BTCC with a H pattern box, wasn't any slower than a sequential one, not sure why someone would choose H pattern over sequential, other than the cost, though.

It's because WSR had a weight penalty for running a sequential. Mat Jackson was driving an ex-factory 06 car (he'll be driving the car AP won the WTCC in this season next year).

Quote from ajp71 :

That is complete bollocks, please don't post things you don't have a clue about. All modern GT cars have both sequential and H-gate gearbox options available, the costs of which are similar and in an endurance race the speed differential isn't that great. It largely comes down to personal preference. There's nothing unrealistic about a front engined RWD GT car with an H-gate gearbox, a works BMW won the Nurburgring 24 hours with one and from what I've seen personally a high than average proportion of 911s are on sequential gearboxes.

Yes, I have mentioned that a significant number of Cockmobiles have a H pattern gearbox. Every DBR9 I've seen has a sequential, the same about MC12s. I'm pretty sure JGTC or whatever they are called this week use sequentials, DTM use sequentials, S2000 almost universally use them, BTC-T uses them etc... even smegging Clios have sequentials! Yes, a lot of cars use H gate in a lot of series. But it seems like the LFS GT cars are total or almost total silhouettes, not like the N24 cars which are more production based.

I won't call your argument bollocks because it just isn't but it's more likely than not that the FXR and XRR, if they existed in real life would have had sequentials. Maybe have H gate options with slight weight break as a choice thing though.

Quote from duke_toaster :

Every DBR9 I've seen has a sequential

Mounted at the rear axle... The DBR9 isn't based on the road car at all. The DBRS9, however, is and offered with an H-gate gearbox as standard and a sequential as an optional extra.

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But it seems like the LFS GT cars are total or almost total silhouettes, not like the N24 cars which are more production based.

Sorry but that's where your lack of understanding is showing through, you don't have to try and dig up a million examples of what tea bags different teams are using to realise that a 'production' car and a GT2 car are equally production based, underneath they run the same suspension attached to the same rollcage that delivers all the strength in the car there's no reason for one to be lighter and it's normally the bolt on bits, wings, bodykits, ECUs and exhausts that vary between the two. The guy I did work experience for built rolling chassis up irrespective of which class and level they'd race at, all identical. When a GT2 cars engine had a problem without a spare available in time he simply took an engine out of a 'production' class car and connected it to the exhaust and ECU already in the GT2 car, it ran perfectly the 'production engine was dry sumped lightened and balanced exactly the same as the GT2 car.

All production cars, touring cars and GT cars for the last twenty years have been spaceframe silhouettes, the bodyshell is simply rather heavy bodywork, most of it replaced with carbon fibre and has no structural purpose, typically the front bulkhead is the only bit that you couldn't cut away without a mechanical issue. Other classes like DTM and GT1 simply through away all the steel bodywork, have more freedom to move things around and sometimes use a carbon tub rather than spaceframe chassis (rollcage).