Quote from lil chris :

If you had to chose would you rather have "gonorrhea" for free or would you rather have gonorrhea-live gold membership for £50 which basically does the same...

Does gonorrhea-live gold have a better technical support package?

Quote from the_angry_angel :

Using "free" as an argument for "good", isn't exactly a brilliant idea. It's a bit like saying that gonorrhea is good, because it's free from an infected person.

Yea, stick to what you know... hopefully knowing STD's isn't one of them

Haha, Steam...

Like a fellow Simjunkies said...

"Steam... steaming pile of s*it rather"



Personally, ive had very little issues, games are cheaper than in stores.. easy autoupdate.. steam community is very handy.. etc.
Its a convenience factor for me.. not to mention the smaller game developers who can get more attention and an easy channel to distribute their product.. rather steam, than microsoft "live"...
Im deeply terrified of the "games for windows" logo and integrating live on pcs...

I've been a Steam user for a while now and never had any problems with it. It's always been a bit slow to start up, but I expect that from a hub that deals with so many titles from so many developers.

It's also a great tool for indie developers. Can you think of a better way of getting your product out to the masses for free? And to the potential audience that Steam has? Not a hope.

Quote from Dajmin :

It's also a great tool for indie developers. Can you think of a better way of getting your product out to the masses for free?

Free? Hardly. Valve takes a quite considerable cut out of everything sold on Steam. Still better than retail of course, but it's hardly free.

I always thought they just skimmed off the profits, but all the framework was there as standard and the advertising (featured products, small ads on the store pages) was done pretty randomly.
But as you say, either way it's better, easier and safer than trying to find a publisher.

Never had a single problem with Steam, I love it.

Steam is for games what iTunes is for music - slow, buggy and completely unnecessary.

Go Occam's Razor on your data and stuff like this won't happen again

dont quites ee how ytou managed this...i use lfs inconjunction with steam using it to launch it etc...nothing bads ever come out of it

First releases of steam were a disaster. Nowadays it works very good. I don't have to look for keys etc. since it is attachted to my account.

Installed steam and got a nice list of games, some of which i didn't even know i owned them lol

So is lfs goed into steam, fine with me

Quote from jayhawk :

Warning! Keep Steam far, far away from LFS!

Indeed. I'm keeping it far, far away from my pc!

Oh, and a big thank you to Victor for storing all my uploaded 1024X1024 skins in one handy .rar file. Saved me from making them all over again.

Phew!

OMFG Steam Rocks FFS
i have been using steam for 2years now never had problems...
i love to play shooter games and all but if you dont know what you are doing then just
dont fck with it...

No matter how unreliable, slow and downright annoying steam is for the user its absolute GOLD DUST for the developers. It gives them a direct link to their target market to bombard people with advertising and "offers". Its a shareholder's wet dream.

Quote from Willem-racer :

OMFG Steam Rocks FFS

Steam is a malicious program invented by Valve so that they can disable your Steam password, making your five Valve games unplayable online. Upon requesting support to resolve these issues they direct you to the Steam forum where you post your concerns and are told to contact a special support address. Upon contacting the said address the support personel inform you (weeks later) that they don't believe your claim that your email address has changed since the time your registered four years ago. Upon returning to the Steam forum to discuss your options you are promptly banned for asking the same question twice and now have no recourse to solving the issue created by Steam.
Your several Valve products are now worthless, but the stinking dogs from Valve are sitting back with stupid grins on their faces while they spend your several hundred dollars on male strippers and anal toys.

Quote from Gunn :

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Yeah, the thought of Valve having full control over my access to my games is what I don't like about Steam. I've heard enough stories of folks having their accounts revoked for no good reason to be worried about it. I also don't like the fact that they have the balls to change the Steam EULA retroactively. I do wonder about the legality of all this. It's a shame that it's so bloody convenient really as it would be easy to hate otherwise.

But I must admit that the system LFS uses isn't that different from Steam as far as activation goes. It's just that I trust the LFS devs a lot more than I trust Valve.

If you don't save a copy of your game list and account information than of course they arn't going to belive you. Thats why they GIVE you a printable one when you register a game on steam.

I've been using steam since near the end of the first year of it's run.
I only fully transfered when they shut down WON though.

I've never had a problem with it save for one. But that was microsoft being retarded with an auto-update. It disabled something on my computer that steam needed to access the caches. "This game is not available at this time, try again later" is the only thing I got for a month. And then MS fixed there screw up.

Steam is an amazing idea, it just took a while to get it working right.
It didn't help that Valves former publisher where idiots with the CD keys and quite a fue people needed to purchase the game on steam when it started because they had a duplicate key.
If I where to go anywhere to publish a game, it would be steam.
After the last line of updates, It's not all that hard on your computer anymore. It's only using 7mb of ram at idle (I just checked). thats alot less than windows media player or even an instant messanger.
I monitored it constantly, and I've watched them streamline it like crazy.

I want to kill them in their sleep. And their little fluffy white yapping dogs.

Steam hmmm...... they killed cs, they killed cs:s and they might kill team fortress. I HATE STEAM. And well the suposed uncrackable steam is easy to crack lol

Quote from Kazu2799 :

they might kill team fortress.

Was Team Fortress still alive to begin with?

Team Fortress 2 has just come out - i got it at christmas. The premise of the game is almost identical but with all new maps and new cartoon style characters.

Dunno if my systems not up to it but i dont find it anywhere near as playable as the original.

TFC got killed by the huge flood of 8 year olds with no idea what tactics are. TF2 was an attempt to make it so that the little 8 year olds that ruind TFC couldent kill the new source version. everyone just hates it because its actualy hard to be good at.

Same goes for CS, in the first couple of years it was on steam it was actualy more playable than the WON version of the time, but again, way too many under aged kids got to play it and destroyed the community. Parents just don't look at the 17+ logo plastered on the damn box.

And it has extended to the mods on both the goldsrc and source engines, half the games I used to play are flooded with so many kids who have admin powers who realy shoulden't, that I get banned just for trying to play tacticaly. The only mods that are safe are the ones that are complicated to play, and the little kids say "this sucks, CS is better, its the PAWNZORZ!"

Sort of how LFS is getting, its becomeing realistic enough that you actualy have to know how to drive in order to play.

You can't blame steam for screwing up the gameplay, its the people who play it that make it bad.