God I love the LX cars, but they are so different from how they really race them in series....

This is just.... WOW, so kickass, I want it!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3470030766054407230 (36 sec)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3984612778462445397 (2 min 17 sec)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6145118794729557873 (45 sec)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4954368592730170833 (1 min 57 sec)




(Sorry Germany, google video won't work for you )

Also note, even if these cars are running slicks, they have INCREDIBLE GRIP on all the bumps and turns, even when getting airborne Oh and, if we want excitement, why dont we have tracks like this!!!! Knockhill looks nuts!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2317030850737650150 (3 min 37 sec)
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2 Laps of Cadwell Park Circuit with the Lotus 7 Club. The car is a 1.6 K Series Supersport, on road tyres wiv about 140BHP

On road tires and probably pretty equal to the LX4... it is in very good control. And Cadwell Park being a very hilly and slow/tight turn course, you can see how messed up out low-speed grip is in LFS currently compared to reallife :o


Only thing that is really bad is the sound on these vids, sorry, but can't help that

Awesome racing and awesome track. I love Knockhill, but also to be fair Tweak, i.e. the first clip, if we skipped the curbs like that in the LX in LFS, I very much doubt we would still be facing the same direction

But I do beleive they run slick tyres. Have you tried the Slick Mod on the LX cars? I haven't, just interested in the difference.

I am to surprised there is no LX League. Every other car is catered for at some stage, but no dedicated LX League. Maybe if somebody was to start a LX League with Slick Mod, there would be lots of takers

There is a possibility to view those videos from germany, too. Just use google language tools and translate the URL of the video

I'm eagerly awaiting the big physics update

The Roadsports in the Knockhill videos don't actually run slicks, just some Avon all-weather tyre.

Cadwell rules btw

once again...nice vid:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2854061566277163544
not lx like, but nice...
could be XRG-like, or so...

i agree with you there tweak!

Lotus 7 type cars are renowned for their hadling, and as yet i dont think this has translated into LFS. Seeing them drive at Caldwell park just shows how well they can take the bumps/elevation/direction changes, which are the exact things which kill the LX in LFS

Just look how easy it is for those guys to control the cars, and recover slides. I never feel safe sliding the LXs unfortunately Mind you, they are most likely much better drivers for a start

Maybe its just my driving style, but I find that I just cannot be in the least bit wreckless with the LXs or they bite your head off. I have to drive ultra smooth on the perfect lines to get anywhere near a reasonable time.

Is there anything missing from the LX modelling? i.e. suspension model incomplete? Or is it just the overall physics update we are waiting for? Ive never been quite sure.

lol the translating trick really works... I would prefer to download those files to my disk, though...
On this lump of computer it's not really possible though (silly ie...)

So if anyone has a way to download those vids, pm me

Some more LX style racing

http://supervroum.noalia.net/c ... _de_vienne_voiture_18.wmv
http://supervroum.noalia.net/c ... en_ternois_voiture_18.wmv

Pretty big file size (200 megs) but quality is very good, at least compared to those Google videos which were crappy quality.

More here: http://supervroum.noalia.net/chameau/spy

And one more: http://koni.no-ip.biz/film/rejsa/Locost/locost.wmv (those are called "Locosts" but based on Lotus 7)

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But I do beleive they run slick tyres. Have you tried the Slick Mod on the LX cars? I haven't, just interested in the difference.

Just messing around one day at Aston Club, not really trying, i beat my pb by over 4sec's in the LX4 on slicks (they drive like baby FOX's, (or a "kit"), lol, on slicks, as apose to having to driving like your Granny, without them.)

If someone setup a server to run LX's with slickmod i'd be interested.

Im actually very surprised no one has set up some kind of a semi/permanent Slick Mod Server. I love the road cars (and their tyres), but some of them are really fun with slicks, LX's being perfect examples. Come to think of it, all the road cars with slicks are a blast, FXO, RA etc


ty for the videos.

Well if there is an interest I could set something up. Maybe a small series on the shorter tracks? Possibly something like two sprint races per session with reversed start order for second run? Tell me what you'd like and I'll try and whip something up. It has to be on tuesdays or thursdays tohugh, since SCORE server is engaged with other type or racing the other days.
Sadly, I guess that mean Europeans only due to time zones...

Nice vids, Yea knock hill is a class little circuit, been there many times and been round the track in the passenger seat, will get on the drivers seat soon as I get my liscence.

Would be good with a racing LX4 with slicks and other cool things, would make it more popular, even though if I see LX racing wih a few ppl or more I go in and race, still very fun car.

Hmm, what happens if you put slicks in RAC? Sounds pretty interesting as the LX6 is so nice to drive with slicks

*Starts LFS*

Quote from mrbogeyman :

i agree with you there tweak!

Lotus 7 type cars are renowned for their hadling, and as yet i dont think this has translated into LFS. Seeing them drive at Caldwell park just shows how well they can take the bumps/elevation/direction changes, which are the exact things which kill the LX in LFS

Just look how easy it is for those guys to control the cars, and recover slides. I never feel safe sliding the LXs unfortunately Mind you, they are most likely much better drivers for a start

Maybe its just my driving style, but I find that I just cannot be in the least bit wreckless with the LXs or they bite your head off. I have to drive ultra smooth on the perfect lines to get anywhere near a reasonable time.

Is there anything missing from the LX modelling? i.e. suspension model incomplete? Or is it just the overall physics update we are waiting for? Ive never been quite sure.

Just looking at all the bumps and stuff they go over, they have great grip. Sinbad explained they use all-weather road tires for the Caterhams at Caldwell and Knockhill, and geez, the LX4 should be like this! It is pretty lightweight and nimble, but like we've all noticed, low-speed grip and grip in general is just strange. So many elevation changes and bumps, and the car just rides over them with ease, and the cars look pretty stiff. Even at Brands Hatch, you can see the cars have great control coming down the Turn 1 hill (2nd lap), that reminds me of the Cadet chicane... but look at the control the real car has. Just amazes me really, and overall... our LX racing is just not as intense, it still feels like driving a sluggish road car.

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our LX racing is just not as intense, it still feels like driving a sluggish road car.

if you compare the Caterham vids to the Jaguar XJS ones that were posted you can see the difference in handling. The Jags have to take it easy at T1 at Brands, as they go all boaty then sink down and step out at the bottom of the hill, but the Caterhams barely notice it

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Hmm, what happens if you put slicks in RAC? Sounds pretty interesting as the LX6 is so nice to drive with slicks

*Starts LFS*

Still difficult, but not as half

Ah, sodding flash videos. What's wrong with a good old downloadable avi?

Quote from Bob Smith :

Ah, sodding flash videos. What's wrong with a good old downloadable avi?

People love google.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Ah, sodding flash videos. What's wrong with a good old downloadable avi?

Didn't notice my post? Those google vids are in crap quality anyways.

We definatley do not need more kerbing in LFS, it all ready has far too much (just like all sims), kerbing will never be the best way around the track and whilst some modern cars are setup to kerb, namely Caterhams, BTCC and F1, other single seaters (such as Formula Renault and F3000 cars) would simply be ripped to pieces as a result of kerbing.

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once again...nice vid:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2854061566277163544
not lx like, but nice...
could be XRG-like, or so...

Definatley not XRG like at all, XJSs are big cars, the ones racing now of highly developed running on modern slicks and suspension with a lot of chassis strength added in, this is what an XJS should really be like:

http://video.google.com/videop ... 509877425244029&q=xjs

The point of all this is not to have more kerbing.... but to have the grip and stability these cars have. Even that Jaguar vid is a good enough vid to show that we, in LFS, really struggle a lot more than you think.

I'm getting really anxious for a physics patch.

What is also interesting in LFS is how easy you put down skid marks. This must be coupled to 'excessive slip' in the sim somehow and it just seems that tyres leave their 'stick' zone without any effort. Anyway, with no words from Scawen's keyboard I'm afraid we have to wait and see. He clearly is good enough as a programmer but is he methodic in his approach for the most realism? I have good hopes, but then again, S1 and S2 alpha are so far from realism that I doubt I would release them in that state. How good is the programmers approach to realism when the difference from S1 to S2 was noticable, but certainly not close to realism? Its up to Scawen to take away the doubts, hopefully sometime this year!

My current Lx4 setup is here http://lfsforum.net/attachment ... tid=4843&d=1136598327 I find it fairly realistic to drive this way, but its masking the problems, not solving them.

Good point about the skidmarks.... yeah they show up a lot, and probably to do something with slip... The skidmarks are really rare to see in reality, we have them all over the place.

The low grip in LFS applies to so many things... and yeah the skidmarks kind of show you such things happening. Quite a few people have argued about the tires locking up way too easily, low speed grip especially around bumps is scary... etc. The speed of our cornering is fine, but it seems so wierd to say that if Scawen were to improve the grip levels, that'd mean we'd be going a lot faster in most areas. I just wonder how it would be possible to even match the speeds we have on these cars but at the same time, improve the grip so it isn't so unforgiving. Because if we could have some forgiveable grip in the LX cars, it would probably be well matched to look like these Caterhams in the videos. I only hope for that day to come :o

Anyways, I am 100% for this face paced intense LX racing... a lot of our racing is long heavy turns, and not showing enough ability of the car. South City areas might show it, but that has walls and irregular bumps (still fun there though )

one example of the skid marks which i find excessive is just when pulling off the grid.

i was racing Gti last night, and surely a 1.3L car cannot leave 11 skidmarks that long

i know people mention the slip angles alot, but does this not involve elastic/torque grip within the tyres? i know the tyres are very spongey, and at the moment also with very low pressures, but it is still so easy for grip to brake away. in real life, in my opinion, a 1.3Gti would struggle pulling big 11 skidmarks with such low pressures.

maybe it is just an excessive ammount of 'skidmark draw' when actually very little skidding is taking place?

anywhoo, im pretty sure scawen knows what is needed, and any details/ideas/thoughts we have are helpful.

the grip is the most lacking thing for the LX cars, even if they are powered well to weight, they still have hard ice covered rear wheel, curbs send them spinning, shame...
but how to balance the grip ion the LX and the tight control, versus the other rear drivers...or is it still a matter of bad grip modelling?