I was on [SR] server a little earlier, and was racing not too bad (Hey don't blame me, that was my first race ever...). I started last and managed to take a few positions, but on last lap, I accidentally made [SR]Monty spin. Can you check and confirm my move was right? Thanks!

(5 Laps Replay, Happened on 4th and 5th lap.)

Traumatising 1st race, to be honest.

LOL, why didn't you say it was your 1st race ever. Coming on to a race server saying I'm a drifter etc etc makes people more wary than they need to be

Ehh... registered 1 year ago and telling peoples that was my 1st race, they prolly already knew I came from the 'dark side of lfs'

You were 100% in the right, and he was 100% in the wrong. He was not racing you; he was two laps down. He should not have been interfering with your race in any way. That was completely stupid on his part, and everyone in [SR] should know better.

Post this on their forums on their site and explain the situation.

Oh my... You mean he was 2 lapos down, and I slowed down to wait him and lost 1 place for this? */&&%$()$(% I shouln't have stopped...:chairs:

If he is not on your lap and thus racing you for position, you should be able to completely ignore him. You should not have to react to his presence in any way.

In a very long race drivers are entitled to get their lap back, as long as they do so cautiously and respectfully. But this was a five-lap race on BL1 and he was already two laps down. No excuse.

Yeah mate, please post in our forum and you might even get a apology like Laterus did

Quote from Lateralus :

If he is not on your lap and thus racing you for position, you should be able to completely ignore him.

No, not ignore. But people one or more laps down should try to stay out of your way and try to make it easy for you to pass them. That's a very important distinction.

Quote from wien :

No, not ignore. But people one or more laps down should try to stay out of your way and try to make it easy for you to pass them. That's a very important distinction.

Well yeah, that's true, especially if the lapped car is in front. But the general idea is that once a lapped car is behind you, you should be able to go about your race and not have to worry about him slinging one up the inside.

I don't want a appology, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't in the wrong. Might aswell pop on your server more often.

Yeah when you are behind by a few laps you need to be extra cautious overtaking slower drivers that are ahead. Not the best caution was taken.

But seriously, the last crash you cant tell me you didn't see him setting up a better line down the straight on you and actually passing you and you are turning onto his line. I wouldn't stick all the fault on him! Error on both parties for the final crash but you did nothing to avoid it....and mirrors are there for a reason!

But good driving for a first timer, looking promising...come away from the dark side of LFS

When racing it's easy to tell who's a lap behind by looking at the map. If the person is a lap behind, his icon on the map is a darker colour than the people ahead of you. Pay more attention to the map, then it will be easy to tell who you must wait for, and who you don't have to wait for.

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

Pay more attention to the map, then it will be easy to tell who you must wait for, and who you don't have to wait for.

That's all well and good but hardly anyone i know has the map on.

Quote from Lateralus :

If he is not on your lap and thus racing you for position, you should be able to completely ignore him. You should not have to react to his presence in any way.

Well, you cant expect anyone to act like a ghost... If he is occupying a space on the track, then he is still there. 4 laps down on a 5 lap race or not, it is not reasonable to expect people to drive off the road for you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote from The Moose :

That's all well and good but hardly anyone i know has the map on.

For real?

I've never driven without it (except when in shift-f mode).

Your fault entirely. You drove into him on the straight for no reason. And after the first contact it even looks like you tried to turn him around on purpose.

Quote from The Moose :

That's all well and good but hardly anyone i know has the map on.

Really? I couldn't race without it, it's not so much the track that I'm interested in, but the players and their positions, and what lap they're on. It's important information because the driver list doesn't say if a driver is a lap behind. (This could actually be a good improvement suggestion)

Quote from J.B. :

Your fault entirely. You drove into him on the straight for no reason. And after the first contact it even looks like you tried to turn him around on purpose.

Yeh on the 2nd hit I tried to make him do the rest of the 360 so he can continue its race.

At about 20 seconds into the race in the 1st turn you turn right, then decide to stop turning right and accelerate so you hit DaddyCool. If you had continued steering right or lifting off the throttle you wouldn't have crashed into him.

About [SR]Monty, he drove a little wierd, tried to overtake in the chicane on his 2nd lap instead of waiting to overtake you on the straight. Anyway, on his 3rd lap (your last) he tried just that and succeded.
Now instead of letting him pass, you steer right into him that causes him to spin. Your fault? Yes. Can't get any cleaner pass than that. He drove 100% straight also, which you didn't.

Here is two pictures showing that: (the green lines are the original lines in the tarmac, just painted green)

So regarding "Can you check and confirm my move was right?", it wasn't.
About [SR]Monty trying to overtake you and interfering with your race is a different question (not talking about the last pass he did.)

Both are at fault IMHO.

Monty was trying to race you, which he shouldn't have done because he was 2 laps down. He was clearly faster than you, but not so much faster that he could overtake anywhere on the track without disturbing your race. The only place to safely overtake you was on the main straight -- which he did. But he made a couple of attempts in the previous lap which were wrong, and which he should have aborted earlier than he did.

On the other hand, you could have known that he was faster, and should have seen him coming in your mirrors. When he overtook, you left your line and hit him.

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

Really? I couldn't race without it, it's not so much the track that I'm interested in, but the players and their positions, and what lap they're on. It's important information because the driver list doesn't say if a driver is a lap behind. (This could actually be a good improvement suggestion)

I've never used it (or the driver list) as i don't see the point. It's just more clutter on the screen.

If someone is in front i will try and overtake them, whether it's for position or to lap them. If someone is trying to overtake me I'll fight them for it if it's for position or let them pass if I'm being lapped.

I see no use for the map or driver list whatsoever.

I have to agree with JB here, it was totally your fault as the guy was already next to you.
Nice T-bone in T1 too, I hope it doesn't become your signature move.

Quote from Lateralus :

If he is not on your lap and thus racing you for position, you should be able to completely ignore him. You should not have to react to his presence in any way.

That's not how it works IRL or on all servers unless a server has specifically banned mid-race joiners unlapping themselves I don't see why they shouldn't if they're a lot faster. Regardless of whether a car is allowed to overtake you or not you don't just deliberately drive into it, nothing short of a deliberate wreck/forcing a car on the grass IMO, I doubt Riders Motion even knew the other guy wasn't for position and he'd have lost more time doing what he did even if he didn't hit than just taking the normal line and letting the other guy motor past on the straight.