Fair enough guys. You won't change my opinion. That's how I see it, and I don't mind people disagreeing with me. I don't cry that people do give money to them. And you shouldn't cry because I don't believe it will do any good. As an entirely non-religious person I have no preconceptions that 'man' is any better than any other animal, so I have always failed to see why it's okay for some species to die, but not us (by natural causes, I'm obviously not referring to interspecies murder which would clearly break down the concept called society that is really rather beneficial, but isn't by any means limited to the human species).