I know that much about you Lizard :up: I was responding to your comment about Hezbollah's motives and public pronouncements but I was speaking more or less to everyone. Everyone needs to know that there are two sides to this conflict and both sides share responsibility - it's not just poor persecuted Israel fighting off the vicious Arab hordes with nothing but a sling & some rocks. Funny (but not amusing) how the guys with all the guns, cash, US support and nukes (ffs!) consistently complain about being picked on.
It would all be much more straightforward if Israel's conflict with Palestine and its other neighbours was recognised as a war. It has certainly looked like a war for a couple of decades at least, so they should have the decency to declare it as such. I can't recall so many civilians being killed outside of all-out warfare in any other scenario.
A friend of mine pondered aloud on New Year's Eve whether the middle east would be better off without western interference - citing Rwanda post-genocide as an admittedly rather sombre success story. Sure, without their American defense budget Israel would get shafted six ways from Sunday, but it seems it would bring peace to the region.
Indeed, if the arab nations were able to make policy decisions over failed states such as Iraq it would no doubt be considerably favourable to western governance-by-proxy, where nobody really seems to understand or want to admit the problems they've got.
Of course, while the USA is busy controlling the world's supply of oil they're going to be manipulating the middle east. Personally I'd be happy to see the looming global recession hit sooner rather than later, since it would probably positively (comparatively) affect people living in poorer countries, and may even permanently swing the balance of power away from the USA.
A friend of mine pondered aloud on New Year's Eve whether the middle east would be better off without western interference - citing Rwanda post-genocide as an admittedly rather sombre success story. Sure, without their American defense budget Israel would get shafted six ways from Sunday, but it seems it would bring peace to the region.
Indeed, if the arab nations were able to make policy decisions over failed states such as Iraq it would no doubt be considerably favourable to western governance-by-proxy, where nobody really seems to understand or want to admit the problems they've got.
Of course, while the USA is busy controlling the world's supply of oil they're going to be manipulating the middle east. Personally I'd be happy to see the looming global recession hit sooner rather than later, since it would probably positively (comparatively) affect people living in poorer countries, and may even permanently swing the balance of power away from the USA.
in the topic maybe?
then make an effort to point that out and dont just copy paste something that doenst contain the words "self hating jew" anywhere
with your opening post its absolutely resonable to assume that the topic name is your own words
i refuse to comment publicly on the situation down there as apparently thanks to the flag next to my nick im not allowed to for life
You could get away with an English flag next to your name, since you've got a sense of humour. To be honest I think you (and all the other Germans on this forum) were probably born English and adopted by German parents anyway.
Being English comes with great perks, such as: Being able to decide other countries' border; being able to decide what language foreign people ought to speak; an overwhelming sense of superiority gained from exploiting and enslaving less well-developed foreign nations; a complete range of wonderfully humourous-yet-cheap put-downs to be deployed at will against all our former colonies, and even other nations such as Germany.
In short: Being English provides you with a relatively recent imperial history, bringing with it the opportunity to never have to recognise that your country is quickly sliding down the shitty slope into global irrelevance!
Note: Exclusivity of this feature is not guaranteed. It may also be available to Americans quite soon.
Did it ever occur to you that it was a QUESTION instead of a BELIEF STATEMENT? If the topic title was me trying to attack Finkelstein because of his controversial beliefs I would not have put a question mark now wouldn't I :rolleyes:
Considering everyone here is so big on "not jumping to conclusions" i expected that to be a given :rolleyes:
I mean there's absolutely no evidence to prove that I disagreed with what he said. It was all your assumptions and you attacked me because of these assumptions.
Opening post? what opening post. I just merely copy and pasted an article WITHOUT me giving my own personal opinion about it :rolleyes:
The whole topic title was derived from:
So you mind re-assessing your attack? :rolleyes:
That second half is exactly what I said a few post ago.
I agree there's two sides to every story. But I will never sympathize with terrorists who target innocent civilians. It's one thing to ruthlessly attack a military instillation and personnel but quite another to attack a busy street filled with random people who are oblivious to the conflict.
Is Hezbollah one of these terrorist organizations? I really cant say. Terrorist activities associated with Hezbollah are all denied but I'm not naive enough to just believe what they say (after all, the US military denies torture). So I'm merely suspicious.
lizard, there's no way you made the thread without knowing the title was flamebait. And given your recent posts in the NY Times thread, it's not unreasonable to infer that "hates America" is your own opinion. Let's not try to play the naivite card here.
And if you really are that naive, well...
And if you really are that naive, well...
Is it so hard to accept that this is a completely random and separate article/discussion (which is what I was hoping for without any bias from the previous article).
Sure it's not unreasonable, but it's also unfair on my part that people started attacking me assuming that the "hate America" is my own words. As I've pointed out several times IT IS NOT.
Perhaps posting more comprehensively would help. We're all responsible, in large part, for the way others perceive us. You're complaining that a whole bunch of people that [you must know or you ARE stupid] have a massive capacity for reason, have "got you wrong".. and you want us to believe that that is THEIR error?
I've just said it's not unreasonable for them to assume that "hated American" was my own wording. But to start attacking me based on their premature assumption is what I'm not fond of especially SINCE I've stated that the "anti-American" part WAS directly FROM the article (it's quoted in my response to DeadWolfBones).
Did they listen? apparently not
I'm less focused on the content of this thread than I am on gleaning the tone of it, but I'm rather getting the impression that you're mopping up after an unforced error, lizard. Perhaps it would be better to save some dignity and acknowledge that you've put yourself across poorly here, rather than try to squirm and shift and just look more silly. S'up to you, of course
Sam...look...I've already admit that what i did wrong was setting myself up (without saying anything for the record) for what seemed to be another overreacted baseless "anti-American" rant.
DeadWolfBones addressed that in his first post and I addressed that in a post saying the "anti-American" part was not my wording
It's in the 4th post check it out yourself.
I later addressed myself that I DID NOT PUT MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION ON THE ARTICLE except for the fact that I found it amusing that he said "political position doesn't matter" when he's a political scientist himself
Relax, I'm only making a suggestion 
I've some pretty strongly formed opinions of AIPAC, the Israeli apartheid society, American treasonous secular Jews and many other related things, but I'm just too bloody knackered to participate. I'm just observing.. no prejudice
I've some pretty strongly formed opinions of AIPAC, the Israeli apartheid society, American treasonous secular Jews and many other related things, but I'm just too bloody knackered to participate. I'm just observing.. no prejudice It is YOUR life, and since I'm guessing that you are too young to have been an actual member of the 1940's Nazi Party, therefore you are welcome to comment, in accordance with the common standard that your comments be reasonable and factual to the extent of your sincere ability. Any criticisms based solely upon your nationality would constitute ad hominem argumentation and therefore be fallacious, although there is always a risk of being confronted with others' perhaps unpleasant prejudices (as well as reasonable counterarguments that one may not like); such is the nature of engaging in controversial discussions, perhaps especially in this forum where there is a notable lack of inhibitions from expressing criticisms (maybe because auto racing is, by nature, a competitive enterprise). Anyway, other Germans have, in my experience, expressed their opinions on Middle Eastern politics, without trouble's ensuing.
If your statement is intended to be merely facetious, then it is slightly successful.
You're just trolling with your confusion, and putting an additional burden on others. Be precise next time with your lousy titles, since your previous behaviour grants interpretations such as mine. Oh, and change your avatar. Use a clown.
Edit: I think you were doing some sort of experiment with your lack of clarity, willfully searching for erroneous interpretations of your quote. If it's so, shame on you.
Re-edit: next time, if you use titles like that, please post a link to the radio debate since you say the title isn't yours (read this as: you infer the title was made up by you interpretating a radio debate you didn't document). Otherwise you're hiding an important element for your own convenience. If you don't have such link, shame on you again, since you have no proof to back your own words. And STOP TRYING TO PLAY WITH PEOPLE, I'm not your toy.
If you go back and read, I only addressed specifically the "self-hating jew" part. So far, there's no correction. Read my posts better, next time.
Hi mate, of course you can comment. I think from reading the thread that I'm the only one who raised the Nazi comparison, and you may note that it was Nazi, NOT German.
The same as I've stated Zionist rather than Jewish. They are both totally different items.
Both are political viewpoints rather than racial or religious.
Not all Jew's hold Zionist beliefs, ( mind you, those that don't are labelled " self hating " ) unfortunately it seems to be the American Zionists and Israeli Zionist's who are controlling a great deal of what is happening in the Middle East at the moment.
Thing is - the professor is not the only jew that doesn't care much for Israel as it is currently. Of course it is less common amongst Ashkenazis and predominantly Sephardi jews appear to be more keen on retaining the diaspora - it's by far more flexible than having a defined nation.
The local synagogue, which was rebuilt by my current landlord, are clients of mine so I've spent some time there talking to people visiting and of course my landlord whose father was muslim and his mother jewish.
The predominant trend with Israelis over 50, I'm sad to say, is that the minute they'd figure out I was a goyyim I'd instantly become invisible to them - luckily the younger generation didn't appear to have this trait, at least the ones I met. My town no longer has a jewish community - they were wiped out completely during the war when the ship they were being transported with got torpedoed by an allied submarine - so what jews there are have either moved here recently or are just passing through.
Amongst several jews that I have spoken to in the past few years there have been quite a number that expressed their resentment to the situation in Israel - some of them were Israelis - and it's not hard to imagine that people there are fed-up^3 with it.
Also, from what I gathered there is a sort of unorganized movement by jewish academics to get away from the whole "identifying with the Holocaust" loop because it is starting to become a dead-weight more or less and the continuous repetition of it detracts from the actual importance of what it meant for humanity - not just the jews. It is important to remember that during that period people were exterminated en masse for their religious beliefs, political beliefs, mental disabilities and as POWs.
The local synagogue, which was rebuilt by my current landlord, are clients of mine so I've spent some time there talking to people visiting and of course my landlord whose father was muslim and his mother jewish.
The predominant trend with Israelis over 50, I'm sad to say, is that the minute they'd figure out I was a goyyim I'd instantly become invisible to them - luckily the younger generation didn't appear to have this trait, at least the ones I met. My town no longer has a jewish community - they were wiped out completely during the war when the ship they were being transported with got torpedoed by an allied submarine - so what jews there are have either moved here recently or are just passing through.
Amongst several jews that I have spoken to in the past few years there have been quite a number that expressed their resentment to the situation in Israel - some of them were Israelis - and it's not hard to imagine that people there are fed-up^3 with it.
Also, from what I gathered there is a sort of unorganized movement by jewish academics to get away from the whole "identifying with the Holocaust" loop because it is starting to become a dead-weight more or less and the continuous repetition of it detracts from the actual importance of what it meant for humanity - not just the jews. It is important to remember that during that period people were exterminated en masse for their religious beliefs, political beliefs, mental disabilities and as POWs.
Well, if you want to debate the specifics of the current topic I'm not game because I really don't know enough about Hezbollah nor have I lived in Israel or Lebanon to even begin to understand the complexity of the broader issue at hand. I just wanted to pitch in the trends I've detected by talking to people.
Who let the troll out. ?
1, I have never in this thread either disagreed or commented on lizard so WTF are u on about ?
2, An entity that resorts to murder, torture and kidnap to fight against an "unjust" - Well, that to me describes the current Israeli state, yet you claim the opposite.
Try to study history rather than retoric. Who were the Stern gang ? What did they do ?
Please explain how the following comments rate as either rational or fair ?
We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- first Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion, 1937
"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." (italics mine)
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- PM Golda Meir, 1969
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- PM Menachem Begin, 1982
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- PM Yitzhak Shamir, 1988
"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.
"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Israeli PM Ehud Barak, 2000
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- PM Ariel Sharon, 2001
Ah déjà lu, however: I am not sure under what license Hankstar released his italics, you better check that out - don't want any legal issues hampering progress in this thread.
One account per user is enough on this forum. Use your voidone account, thanks.
Sure lizard isn't under that IP as well?
Well, bugger me.. well spotted DWB.
lizardfolk has received an infraction for deliberately disrupting the forum by use of multiple accounts.
lizardfolk has received an infraction for deliberately disrupting the forum by use of multiple accounts.
wait so it was lizard calling just about everyone here retarded?
Yup, seems like it. I think he just lost whatever little credibility he had.
Self-Hating Jew hates America?
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