yeah but it was a magic sword

Nope. Just a katana.
The other guys meccano sword... Yeah, right. Like that would stay in one piece in a fight.

+1 to what the topic starter said. Rub/Sparks/More advanced damage and such would be a great addition to LFS. Of course it`s been mention a lot of times before, but it would still be awesome to have some eyecandy.

remember that a lot of new cars dont really have a whole lot of metal making up the bodies. Im not sure if the composite stuff makes sparks or not

Aren't they still made out of steel/aluminium?

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Aren't they still made out of steel/aluminium?

I would belive so, it`s just not really like it because of the simple damage system in LFS atm.

Don`t get me wrong, I have nothing against the current one, but a little more advaced system wouldn`t hurt eighter.

Very many new cars have their body panels made out of plastic.

Ah yes, I've seen wing panels made out of plastic. Or maybe it was very light alu...idk lol...

Indeed you have seen plastic wings. And boots, and bonnets and door skins. Why? They are lighter. And they don't spark. Not that you'll ever see a closed wheel car sparking when it's the right way up. -1 for pointless additions.

lol plastic boots and bonnets? Doesn't plastic melt when you leave it over an engine lol?

And it could spark, if you were touching it, and didn't have shoes on, couldn't it?

Depends on the plastic. GRP and many Carbon Fibres are mostly plastic (a resin).

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lol plastic boots and bonnets? Doesn't plastic melt when you leave it over an engine lol?

If plastic inletmanifolds can hack it why not a bonnet?

Because Inlet manifolds have cold(ish) air being brought through them all the time...and what car has plastic manifolds? This is all starting to sound rather fisher-price

Modern cars are fisher-price. Just look at them.

The air in the inlet is not any colder then the air outside the car.

One example.

I know the air doesn't get any colder (probably a bit hotter) but the majority of people don't live in climates with enough heat to melt plastic. And the air rushing through will stop the engine overheating the plastic. But plastic on a bonnet would surely be easy to melt from underneath? It has no cooling underneath, and an engine running in a confined space underneath it?

IDK...I've never had to deal with this

But it does have a lot of surface area above to cool, and there is a surprising amount of air movement under a bonnet too. Plastic bonnets are fine, and have been for years and decades, ever since a man who liked cars learnt about GRP.

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I know the air doesn't get any colder (probably a bit hotter) but the majority of people don't live in climates with enough heat to melt plastic. And the air rushing through will stop the engine overheating the plastic. But plastic on a bonnet would surely be easy to melt from underneath? It has no cooling underneath, and an engine running in a confined space underneath it?

IDK...I've never had to deal with this

There are certain engine components that do get very hot; Exhaust valves in particular. The time they spend in contact with the watercooled valve-seat when they are closed is all that keeps them from melting. It's also unlikely that you will ever see a plastic Exhaust manifold. These are exceptions though; most of the engine stays below 300F. Engine oil usually runs a bit warmer than Coolant.

There are many, many types of "plastics" and even some fairly mundane varieties (Nylons) have melting points above 400F. Your plastic Intake manifold does not require air moving through it to avoid melting. Sensors, Timing chain guides (ramps on a porsche lol) and rubbers in various gaskets; there are lots of plastics in a modern engine =)

This has gotten pretty far off topic. Cars do not produce sparks when they collide with other cars!

Hmm, I never knew there was so much plastic in engines lol

Don't cars spark when they rub the ground? I know they don't spark when hitting other moving cars, but would they spark if they rubbed against a slow car?

Depends which bit hits the ground! Plastic never sparks (until it gets VERY VERY hot indeed!), but an exhaust grounding would. The tarmac is a bit like a [soft] grinding wheel to the metal.

Here's a test. Take two sheets of metal. Paint them. Then throw them at each other.

You'll get damaged paint. Small dents. But you'd have to put a HUGE amount of energy to generate any sparks. So no, cars don't spark when they hit each other.

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Depends which bit hits the ground! Plastic never sparks (until it gets VERY VERY hot indeed!), but an exhaust grounding would. The tarmac is a bit like a [soft] grinding wheel to the metal.

Here's a test. Take two sheets of metal. Paint them. Then throw them at each other.

You'll get damaged paint. Small dents. But you'd have to put a HUGE amount of energy to generate any sparks. So no, cars don't spark when they hit each other.

I meant when the car is upside down or something

But cars would still spark if there's a big speed difference, wouldn't they?

Maybe if there was several hundreds of miles per hour speed difference. Watch a really bad accident where a stationary car is hit by a car doing 200mph - the only sparks are caused by the metal rubbing on tarmac or concrete.

Fair enough, point proven

I'm used to the dodgy physics in NFS or something so lol

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I agree, but I feel that aerodynamic damage should be a bit higher on the list

you need a complete CFD model to do so.
impossible for home PC

What about muffler smoke?

It seems unneeded because at the current moment, LFS is still in development, and more features will come before graphical enhancements.

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I've only seen sparks in RL racing on two seperate occasions.

1st: Old formula 1 cars with the metal undercarriage had sparks flying all over the place on bumpy tracks. Nowadays it's just a puff of saw dust... lame.

2nd: In oval racing when a vehicle is doing 200mph on it's roof.

to 1st: Yeah, it was so cool. In early 90s. For Sparks which fly up if you have contact with the bottom i would give a +1000.

I hope it will come. No matter if it not happens in actual race cars.

Imagine you drive close behind someone for some laps in a race and he flashes up sparks down the straight because he touches bottom. Would be so cool