I think the United States should be the LAST country to accuse anyone of this...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/ ... ghts.report.ap/index.html

Quote from Stang70Fastback :

I think the United States should be the LAST country to accuse anyone of this...

well, at least they know what they are talking about...

Takes one to know one.

Quote from three_jump :

well, at least they know what they are talking about...

True, but they must feel really silly saying it...

Chaina eat dogs. Quick all LFSer's invade chaina save the dogs.

In Soviet Russia China spell "Retards" right.

Well, that's it then. We'll have WW3 on our hands in about 5 years.

WW3 will never happen. Nukes will be shot and radiation poisoning will occur, killing everthing before we can call the war WW3.

Dang, how dare those pesky Chinese throw people in jail without evidence or trials and how dare they torture people. Thank the Lawd we have our shiny golden USA as a beacon of freedom and justice. 'course, if we did nookular-ise them Chinesians we wouldn't have anything to wear, sms our friends with or watch TV on and noone propping up our multi-trillion dollar deficit. Best leave 'em be until we re-learn how to make stuff ourselves and annexe a resource-rich country or two to pay a few debts. Dang!

It's almost like W is in the room with is... astonishing impression... BRAVO :banana:

From economical point of view I can't see the WW3 happening between the US and China. The US market is too dependant on chinese money so attacking China would be like Israel attacking US. And China has the man power to fight back...

If the third war starts somewhere my bet is Pakistan/India. No one is interested about Africa and most of other conflicts are too small or the participants lack the power of nukula to cause real damage...

Now, what was the topic again? US? Ohnoes

True, Hyper. America would never start a war with a country that could even defend itself adequately, let alone one with a billion people, huge resources, a massive military, a loose alliance with Russia and the economic clout to send the US to the brink of depression.

Ideally, warfare should always be assymetrical, with the odds in the aggressor's favour - but to be fair it's not exclusively America that thinks along those lines. Genghis Khan & Napoleon Bonaparte (& every successful strategist from William the Conqueror to Monty to Hannibal, really) maintained that an attack should not be made unless the outcome is certain to come out in your favour. Of course, assymetry can also be your friend if happen to be the defender, where conventional methods of combat are often inappropriate. Guerilla tactics, constant harrassment & unconventional assaults were decisive in Vietnam & the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, instrumental in WW2 when used by the French Resistance and are having a serious impact on the current Iraq situation.

But that's rather OT...

I mean, that accusation isn't incorrect. But yeah, glass houses and all that. I guess the gov't would say that they don't do it to their own citizens so it's ok. :S

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Torture in China includes the use of electric shocks, beatings, shackles, and other forms of abuse, according to the report. It includes an account of a prisoner strapped to a "tiger bench," as device that forces the legs to bend sometimes until they break.

like with Jack Bauer, and how the hell did the U.S. dare to make this kind of reports. I would like to see the one from the prison in Irak they have. Like the Documentary that won the Oscar, it talks about it.

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The case of an Afghan taxi driver beaten to death in 2002 while in U.S. military custody forms the heart of this examination of the abuses committed during the detainment and interrogation of political prisoners. When New York Times reporter Carlotta Gall investigates the death of cab driver Dilawar--officially declared by the military to be from natural causes--she uncovers incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

"Taxi to the Darkside"

Quote from Hankstar :

True, Hyper. America would never start a war with a country that could even defend itself adequately, let alone one with a billion people, huge resources, a massive military, a loose alliance with Russia and the economic clout to send the US to the brink of depression.

Ideally, warfare should always be assymetrical, with the odds in the aggressor's favour - but to be fair it's not exclusively America that thinks along those lines. Genghis Khan & Napoleon Bonaparte (& every successful strategist from William the Conqueror to Monty to Hannibal, really) maintained that an attack should not be made unless the outcome is certain to come out in your favour. Of course, assymetry can also be your friend if happen to be the defender, where conventional methods of combat are often inappropriate. Guerilla tactics, constant harrassment & unconventional assaults were decisive in Vietnam & the Russian occupation of Afghanistan, instrumental in WW2 when used by the French Resistance and are having a serious impact on the current Iraq situation.

uhh actually we did that already, they called it the Korean War(didn't y'all fight in that one too?). It was mostly against Russian Pilots in the Air and Chinese Field Commanders and alot LOL a LOT of ground forces. I don't have a real clue, but I imagine the global economic climate was relatively similar as well. Our economy didn't really go off til about 1955.
Warfare whether assymetrical or conventional or Starcraft and paintball, have one crucial factor that determines victory. That's determination. A good example of g - screwit-Gorilla warfare and unconventional assaults not doing too good is Columbia. I dunno, the whole drug thing there may be effecting that to a point, but the rebel forces there have very limited popular support, and they are facing a pretty determined force. Not just a force backed by the bad ol US of A, but a force that has a stake in the area and a conviction in their core beliefs that naturally conflict with the rebels. (man, I hate typing like I have a brain...)
Also, the really bad thing about assymetrical warfare, is how you ultimately have to combat it - or wage it. It brings warfare to a new low.

Eating dogs... I dunno, I could care less what other people eat except maybe people.LOL I was working somewhere and over heard a redneck tell another one during lunch, "I wouldn't eat Chinese Food. there's no tellin what they put in that stuff", he was saying that while he was eating a baloney sandwich. And no, he didn't see the irony of it either.
I like Vietnamese food better than I do Chinese. Here the Chinese food has pretty much evolved into the same ol same ol buffet crap
that's the same no matter where you go in the country. LOL Mc Moo Goo Guy Pan.
Actually the worst thing I ever tried came from Australia. Vegimite - yuck!

Now I'm hungry and wanna play an RTS game.....

I must admit I don't know a great deal about Korea (or the current madness in Colombia). What I do know is that a lot of people still don't agree over whether America did actually win in Korea

Quote from Racer Y :

man, I hate typing like I have a brain...

Keep it up, it suits you There are far too many people on the interwang who talk like freakin' lolcats when they're trying to be serious (which does their whole argument a great disservice), so reading something written in English is refreshing :fluffy:

BTW, the key to eating Vegemite is using small doses. Hot toast, buckets of butter and just a thin scrape of V'mite and you're sorted. Brilliant hangover remedy in case you have no bacon or Berocca. That said, I prefer Promite - you can spread it a bit thicker and it doesn't taste like the inside of a truckie's undies.

It always amuses me how the westernised countries which have taken several hundred years to pull themselves out of the dark ages (and in some cases are still doing so) are so quick to demand change from third world countries

Change is a generational thing, it definately is not going to happen overnight and will most likely take many generations to effect.


More countries should take a leaf out of Denmarks book and instead of demanding other countires change, go and form partnerships between governments (which in turn is forming partnerships with communities) and show them how to effect change that is beificial for all.

Difference between the two:

America only abuses the human rights of OTHER countries. China does it to their own

I find it funny how people always forget how current 3rd world nations were once leading nations in almost every area, until western lazy people came and send havoc and destruction to everywhere.

Maybe western nations are now afraid that east will get their payback time.

Quote from Hankstar :

I must admit I don't know a great deal about Korea (or the current madness in Colombia).

BTW, the key to eating Vegemite is using small doses. Hot toast, buckets of butter and just a thin scrape of V'mite and you're sorted. Brilliant hangover remedy in case you have no bacon or Berocca. That said, I prefer Promite - you can spread it a bit thicker and it doesn't taste like the inside of a truckie's undies.

Uh, actually I think that the war never officially ended - on paper but I'm not all that sure. I do know that when true peace does actually happen, war will probably break out again over who has to clean up all those land mines, anti-tank barriers and sniper's nests from the DMZ. It's one big mess on both sides.

LOL yeah, I was told afterwards...afterwards to spread it thin. I was thinking like peanut butter, so I squirted about a teaspoons worth on a spoon and tried it like that. I hear it goes good in soups.

Quote from Hankstar :

BTW, the key to eating Vegemite is using small doses. Hot toast, buckets of butter and just a thin scrape of V'mite and you're sorted. Brilliant hangover remedy in case you have no bacon or Berocca. That said, I prefer Promite - you can spread it a bit thicker and it doesn't taste like the inside of a truckie's undies.

Hilariously enough, Vegemite has actually gotten me marks in school! A physics test I had, one of the shuttles was named "Vegemite" and because my teacher is bizzare, wants comments about things contained in questions (If the answer is too silly, like a F1 car braking at 23 G's, or just overall comments), so I made a comment saying "Why is there a space shuttle named after an Australian spread?" and somehow, that was worth marks.

Vegemite saves the day again?