Hi all,
my question is simple:

Between a RB4 and a FXO, all of us knows that FXO is faster. So, what is belong u the best balance between this two classes to have the same lap times?

I'm talking about intake restriction as well as Mass KG...

All the thread i found talking about balance haven't a real indication in numbers of what could be the best, so.. Here ther's the question.

Thanks to all will reply.

Cr45h

Best balancing is to remove the RB4 and the FXO and instead drive the XRT.

seconded

The trouble with balancing is that a perfect balanced pair or trio over 5 laps (pick up races) isn't even vaguely close over, say, 24 hours.

There is no such thing as global class balancing short of making everyone use the same car.

Quote from Cr45h :

Between a RB4 and a FXO, all of us knows that FXO is faster.

So tempted to disagree

The track choice also makes a lot of difference between the TBO class cars IMO the XRT is probably fastest (top speed) out of the 3 when driven well, however I find the RB4 can out perform the other 2 at most smaller tracks provided its for only a few laps.

As Tristan has written above the balancing is extremely hard because due to the different drive trains in the class, each car heats tyres differently and requires different driving techniques to lap really fast.

There will always be the situation where some players will be able to drive one car faster/quicker than another.

SD.

At LFS-Spain league when we have races with TBO cars, we tend to choose combinations that balance the cars performance, although this is hard for favouring XRT

As an example the last time we used that cars the combinations were SO Chicane Rev and BL Rallycross Rev, forcing each driver to use the same car in both combinations (checked by the league software).
The results were like this:

SO Chicane Rev:
87 RB4
39 FXO
10 XRT


BL Rallycross Rev:
96 RB4
23 FXO
6 XRT

So it seems that RB4 would be favoured mostly for the Rallycross combo

Results of both races can be checked here:
http://www.liveforspeed.es/mod ... nombre_carrera=Liga%206.4
http://www.liveforspeed.es/mod ... nombre_carrera=Liga%206.5

Quote from tristancliffe :

The trouble with balancing is that a perfect balanced pair or trio over 5 laps (pick up races) isn't even vaguely close over, say, 24 hours.

There is no such thing as global class balancing short of making everyone use the same car.

the fact is, I think that TBO class is dead for now (for pick up races) because they are unbalanced.

AND balancing feature could cure it - it is just the thing it is not common among lfsers to run balanced servers.

OR maybe the issue is - PBs and WRs, you cant make them on balanced car

I thought they did balance them though in X? The last thing you really want to do is add mass onto the car because this will effect the handling of the car. It will either give it and advantage/disadvantage, into/in/out of the corner. I would prefbely go for Intake ristriction. But then again Rb4 is 4 wheel drive and the Fxo is 2 wheel drive so the Rb4 will either bog down out of the corner with 4 wheel drive, but may also pull it aswell with the spread of power as in some circumstances the FXO tends to wheel spin at low gears/high revs and you go wide with lack of grip and loose more time . So I would think on a slow twisty tight track go for the FXO but on a fast longer track go for the RB4 (Especially offroad)?

Matty

This will be the combo we'll use for our little champ:

Fern Bay Gold (FE3)
South City Town rev (SO5R) (maybe SO6 but we've to check)
Aston North (AS7)
Blackwood rev (BL1R)

So, no rally combo is used... For now, i've set the server to have 20% intake restriction on FXO, no mass added.

But if u say that it's quite impossible to make equal the 2 classes, the only thing i can do is to change the cars we wanna use...

when would it be held? I jumped yesterday at one of abandoned TBO servers, and I was bit disappointed - one person connected :] Well, I am not in team, not racing in league races and would like to find some eager to race for fun, with little PB mentality (to which balancing is bit distorting )

Quote from spankmeyer :

Best balancing is to remove the RB4 and the FXO and instead drive the XRT.

hehe nice one

the best of my races are now at CTRA1 - although XFG guys dont remember they are lighter and can brake later (sometimes I forget to brake at static marker with similar effect) but races at tracks with combination of long straights or sequence of sweepers and twisty corners are very fun.

I hopelessly wait for some WTCC style (but round 250hp) counterpartner for XFR/UFR class but I presume Scavier are really pissed off by balancing more than two cars (leave it to the community )

Quote from Cr45h :

For now, i've set the server to have 20% intake restriction on FXO, no mass added.

20%!? Thats insane. The FXO should have about 5-6% intake restriction.