Quote from Jakg :

Vista is (imo) a "nicer" OS to use thanks to little features like the new title bar, the new Start Menu etc, however it's much better in regards to power management making it good for laptops.

I guess I must have the only notebook in the world which runs 30 mins longer under xp (even when all the fancy eye candy is turned off).

I don't have a general problem with Vista, but for me XP does the same job with the same hardware (and most of the time even faster). Unless SP1 for Vista (which I haven't tested yet) is correcting some serious stuff, Vista stays a new Windows ME version for me.

I really recommend you try SP1. It's nothing gigantic improvement wise, but it's just a collection of little fixes which should speed it up and lower system requirements a bit.

Quote from faster111 :

Microsoft will end OEM and shrink-wrapped sales of Windows XP on June 30, 2008
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There is a precedent for that, too: In many respects, Vista is like the Windows Millennium Edition that was meant to replace Windows 98 in 2000 but caused more trouble than it was worth. At that time, Windows 2000 was promising but didn't support a lot of hardware, so users were stuck between two bad choices. Without admitting Millennium's failure, Microsoft quietly put Windows 98 back on the market until the fixed version of Windows 2000 (SP1) was available. blabla

What does ME have to do with 2000????
ME is a graphically, more messy DOS-based Win95/98 while 2000 is a "proper" operating system based on WinNT...
Back in the days win98/ME were for home offices and players while NT and 2k were for workstations and servers.
MS never intended 2k to be a player's OS, many players switched to it when there were drivers and dx available. 2k has by far been one of the most stable microsoft products.

greetz

der DOS-Win3.1, win3.11, win95a, win95b, win98se, 2000, xp, ubuntu butz

Quote from Victor :

what can i do with vista that i cannot do with xp? (kinda serious question - i really can't think of anything)

you can undo 10 times in paint. You can erm teach it speech to txt. erm you can erm erm erm play the 1'st lfs demoes.

Quote from Victor :

what can i do with vista that i cannot do with xp?

With Vista, you can drink coffee while it copies a 20kb file.

Quote from wsinda :

With Vista, you can drink coffee while it copies a 20kb file.

Or cook an egg while opening a cd with lots of small files and one setup.exe

At work, our IT guy is so unimpressed with Vista, even after SP1, that he's rolling out XP 64-bit for those of us that need to compile 64-bit code. I wonder how typical of a response that is.

I have vista, and all the Next-gen games are gonna be built on it. To be honest, the only two faults with vista is:
It's unstable, but that WILL be fixed in SP2
Takes up alot of RAM

And alot of people say 'Ohhh but vista is uncompatible with EVERYTHING'
It's actually compatible with everything.

Quote from NathanRx-7 :

I have vista, and all the Next-gen games are gonna be built on it. To be honest, the only two faults with vista is:
It's unstable, but that WILL be fixed in SP2
Never crashed on me...
Takes up alot of RAM
Uses a little bit more RAM - the rest is being used for SuperFetch - Glad my RAM is actually being USED for a change...

And alot of people say 'Ohhh but vista is uncompatible with EVERYTHING'
It's actually compatible with everything.

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Quote from Jakg :

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honestly i have never had compatability issues. You can run programs in compatibilly mode back to windows 95 or 98. Even the original lfs works with vista.

DX10 only with Vista, i don't think so.

Quote from Luke.S :

honestly i have never had compatability issues. You can run programs in compatibilly mode back to windows 95 or 98. Even the original lfs works with vista.

Compatibility mode doesn't mean programs will work, though.

Original LFS copies work fine, but sound doesn't.

The only app I have that doesn't work in Vista is Brazil - but that's because i'm using 64-bit, not because of Vista.

EDIT - There is a project to put DX10 on XP. And while it works, forget trying to run a game on it - it's absolutely appallingly slow. Would probably be quicker if you used a Vista Virtual Machine.

Quote from Jakg :

Compatibility mode doesn't mean programs will work, though.

Original LFS copies work fine, but sound doesn't.

The only app I have that doesn't work in Vista is Brazil - but that's because i'm using 64-bit, not because of Vista.

EDIT - There is a project to put DX10 on XP. And while it works, forget trying to run a game on it - it's absolutely appallingly slow. Would probably be quicker if you used a Vista Virtual Machine.

Crysis runs just fine in DX10 mode in my computer, at least as fast as it's supposed to run on my dated machine anyway. (8600GT)

Ok i've been out of the loop and must of missed something.

Do you mean in DX10 MODE or do you mean in the DX10-alike config hack?

Could you link me to thing you did to do this please? Last I heard they said "this is harder than we thought. oooer"

(I'm still convinced Crysis isn't really DX10 at all, but sssssh)

Quote from Taavi(EST) :

Crysis runs just fine in DX10 mode in my computer, at least as fast as it's supposed to run on my dated machine anyway. (8600GT)

how is a 8600gt dated? I have one and can run fsx at full quality.

8600GT is a value card - when it was made it was a bit of a dead sheep (like the 8600GTS) as the performance was in no way in line with the price, and from then on things got worse.

Well, with Vista you can at least help MS debug their current operating system.

You can make a case to update all your business machines as the old ones won't run vista ( with any speed )

The only reason's to run Vista that I can see is -

A) You buy a machine with it on it.

B) You have more money than I do and can afford a fast enough machine to give you the same speed I'm already getting with XP.

C) You want justification to change to Linux or Mac OS.

Quote from Jakg :

8600GT is a value card - when it was made it was a bit of a dead sheep (like the 8600GTS) as the performance was in no way in line with the price, and from then on things got worse.

what about the 8600gtx which i have? I read in a review that it had more preformance than the gt and gts.

An 8600GTX doesn't exist - it will probably be a cheap cash-in on the GTX name from a dodgy vendor, and will just be an 8600GTS with a factory overclock.

The cheapest 8600GTS I can find it £61, the cheapest 8800GS is £66, and is roughly 50-70% faster than it in games...

i bought it from nvdia so thats gay if it doesn't exist. I think it has a boost that the normal cards didn't have. iirc it was a limited run of about 300. I think they just wanted to shift some 8600gt's so added a boost and called it an 8600gtx. cause it uses standard gt drivers.

Quote from Jakg :

Do you mean in DX10 MODE or do you mean in the DX10-alike config hack?

Could you link me to thing you did to do this please? Last I heard they said "this is harder than we thought. oooer"

(I'm still convinced Crysis isn't really DX10 at all, but sssssh)

Config hack, crysis is built for vista.
Crysis patched files http://www.mininova.org/tor/1267002
DX10 for XP http://www.technospot.net/blogs/download/#dxxp

Quote from Luke.S :

i bought it from nvdia so thats gay if it doesn't exist. I think it has a boost that the normal cards didn't have. iirc it was a limited run of about 300. I think they just wanted to shift some 8600gt's so added a boost and called it an 8600gtx. cause it uses standard gt drivers.

All mainstream nVidia cards use the same drivers.

I can't find any 8600GTX info on t'interweb, are you sure it's not an 8600GT(S) XXX?

Heres a copy from the INF of a 174.85 nVidia driver...

I can't see the 8600GTX listed on there, which just makes me think it's factory OC'ed.

what the hell, if you allready have XP, how is microsoft stopping selling it 'forcing' you to upgrade to vista?

Quote from Bob Smith :

At work, our IT guy is so unimpressed with Vista, even after SP1, that he's rolling out XP 64-bit for those of us that need to compile 64-bit code. I wonder how typical of a response that is.

Mine worked out the other way. After I told the boss that workin on an iCrap was more of a headache than it was worth, he bought a new box with windoze for me and asked me what I wanted, XP or blista.. naturally the reply was 'XP' to which I got back 'blista it is then'.

After spending a few weeks working on it now, it seems to suffice for what I need it for at work (PHP / Perl dev / SSH sessions), but I certainly see absolutely no gain at all over the XP install I have at home.. they've just managed to rename / move things about for no real reason (Add / Remove Programs is now something like Program Manager for example.. you can still only add or remove from it.. so why it needed a name change is beyond me). Network connections now require half a dozen clicks to get into the properties rather than a simple right-click on the systray icon and in ya go.. and as for that sh!tty UAC

I most definitely won't be downgrading from XP to blista for myself any time soon.



Regards,

Ian

Ian - If you want network connections hit start and type "ncpa.cpl"