Quote from Clownpaint :

Are you suggesting mixed races are superior? If so, how is that any less racist than saying any other ethnicity is superior?

its a simple biological fact that if you spend enough time on an island with little fresh genetic influx youll end up with prince charles whereas mixing lots of immune systems will lead to someone who stands a fair chance against illness

Wasnt Prince Charles lineage from Shotglass' country?

Prince of Wales he maybe, but he's not our fault!

Quote from Clownpaint :

Is that legal?

Quote from Clownpaint :

regardless of how one might feel about someone else's beliefs that doesn't give one the right to ignore them or give them less than equal status. That's when it stops being a free society.

As much as someone is free to express themselves, the more functional aspects of our society focus on freedom FROM things. This is a good example.. anyone is free to take a nice big crap. However in our society, people expect to be free from having to eat it. Largely we're protected from having to even look at it.

You may hold any personal, political or philosophical perspective you naturally gravitate to, but there is no established right for you to arbitrarily impose it on someone else. The measure of freedom is more quantifiable in what you can celebrate freedom FROM, rather than freedom TO.

Moose, and anyone, can exercise their right to free themselves from the impositions of extreme political and/or religious belief, most especially where those perspectives are not in the legal majority (cue democracy, such as it is) and doing so will never interfere with the freedoms afforded in that society. You're still allowed to go have a crap.

Quote from Clownpaint :

That sounds alarmingly similar to the "science" racists use to justify their views. In my experience I was one of only two people in my school naturally immune to tuberculosis, and we were both of white/English heritage. I think you need to reconsider this theory, it doesn't give enough consideration to how random nature can be.

2 people doesnt make a rule and there has been some serious research into biological weapons that target weaknesses that are present in one race but not in another
plus i have no idea where youre getting the idea from that pointing out the simple fact that mixing genes is a better survival strategy is in any way related to racism

Quote from SamH :

As much as someone is free to express themselves, the more functional aspects of our society focus on freedom FROM things.

Freedom cannot be given, only taken away.

Thankyou for yet another deep, insightful oneliner showing how you lack understanding w4h.

hehe.. it's loosely a Baldwin quote, Jack.. and it's glib, but not entirely wrong IMO. It's just not the whole picture.

[edit] Found it.. "Freedom is not something that anybody can be given; Freedom is something that people take and people are as free as they want to be." - James Arthur Baldwin

Quote from Shotglass :

its a simple biological fact that if you spend enough time on an island with little fresh genetic influx youll end up with prince charles

That's getting recorded for posterity.

Quote from Jakg :

Thankyou for yet another deep, insightful oneliner showing how you lack understanding w4h.

You brits comment on every other country's politics, why can't I?

Quote from wheel4hummer :

You brits comment on every other country's politics, why can't I?

You're welcome to your ironic comments, from the self-proclaimed "Land of the free".

Quote from wheel4hummer :

You brits comment on every other country's politics, why can't I?

You can, and you should, I reckon. Not enough Americans, in my experience, even know the first thing about the freedoms people enjoy in other countries. For many Americans, "Land Of The Free" isn't just an indoctrination, it's genuinely perceived as a US-exclusive. If you're interested in interjecting with more than just the usual "it's all the jews fault", I for one would be very interested in hearing your input.

We've spent a lot of time recently on this forum looking at how even America's hard-coded constitutional liberties have been diminished in the last 7 years.. but the US isn't the only country, by any stretch, to have used 9/11 to defile their nationals' civil rights and liberties.

[edit] bloody hell.. we both latch on to the same thing

Quote from SamH :

We've spent a lot of time recently on this forum looking at how even America's hard-coded constitutional liberties have been diminished in the last 7 years.. but the US isn't the only country, by any stretch, to have used 9/11 to defile their nationals' civil rights and liberties.

Absolutely. The UK was going that way well before 9/11 (I remember coming home to the UK in 1997, seeing CCTV on every street corner and thinking "Who let this happen?") but it has got much worse since then. There's also the entirely non-trivial issue of Russia declaring support for the USA's "War on Terror" on the condition that the Georgian and Chechen rebels were considered terrorists.