Is heel and toe doable? seeing as the DFP has only brake and accel pedals and a few minutes ago i tried to do it on my sucky old wheel (Genius speed wheel force feedback) and since im going to buy the DFP (and not the G25 because atm im short on money and i wanna start slow).

it weird, since the brakes dont have any resistance and you dont have a clutch pedal to hold your left foot. i still do better leftf oot on brake and right foot on accel.

DFP owners, do you heel n toe with its default pedals?
do you brake with the left foot or you use the right one for brake and accel? (since if there were clutch you wouçd be doing it)

thanks in advance

Heel & toe without the clutch pedal is cheating! You have both your legs: Use them.

Quote from Gekkibi :

Heel & toe without the clutch pedal is cheating! You have both your legs: Use them.

cheating? i kinda find it very difficult heh =P
thanks for reply

you will only slow yourself down, use both feet

hey dude. i normally use both feet as its easier and faster, but sometimes i use only the right foot, just for fun.

DFP pedals are the same as the MOMO pedals.

When patch Y came out, I finally got off my lazy bum, connected and set up my old pedal set as a clutch.

It took a very long time to adjust to heel and toe driving for me. The difficulties are the pedals are spread too far apart. The pedals are not offset in depth from each other. The brake pedal is a long range axis rather than pressure. And the longer accelerator is longer at the top rather than longer at the bottom for your heel to reach.

I have a pair of these. It made it much easier to heel and toe with my MOMO pedals since they were flat and stiffer and didn't allow my foot to fall between the pedals as much.....




I don't use the clutch any more and don't heel and toe any more because it got boring fast clutching, but only using the sequential shifter. If I had a regular h-pattern shifter, I would still be using the clutch, heel and toe, and having a blast with it. It was just weird after getting use to the clutch to use the seq. shift.

I guess I need to change my signature to state I don't use the manual clutch anymore, but still don't have any problems with clutch heat

Thanks for the reply mrodgers!
Seeing as my DFP may be coming 5 days from now, i see that i might use my old pedal set to try as a clutch. but it will be just for fun probably.

i spent alot of time considering the G25, the only drawback for me being the cost. (after comparing momo, DFP and G25 i finally made up my mind and ordered a DFP)

and now im used to use both feet to brake and accel.
the only drawback i see for the DFP is that, aparently it doesnt have the buttons behind the wheel to act as a shifter (forgot the name =/)

but hey, considering my current wheel, even a Snes joystick is better...

EDIT: i meant to say that, for use with single seaters, could help the immersivity and realism by having paddle shifters (thats it right?)

thanks again

Quote from Calvinaquino :

Thanks for the reply mrodgers!
Seeing as my DFP may be coming 5 days from now, i see that i might use my old pedal set to try as a clutch. but it will be just for fun probably.

i spent alot of time considering the G25, the only drawback for me being the cost. (after comparing momo, DFP and G25 i finally made up my mind and ordered a DFP)

and now im used to use both feet to brake and accel.
the only drawback i see for the DFP is that, aparently it doesnt have the buttons behind the wheel to act as a shifter (forgot the name =/)

but hey, considering my current wheel, even a Snes joystick is better...

EDIT: i meant to say that, for use with single seaters, could help the immersivity and realism by having paddle shifters (thats it right?)

thanks again

Hey, the DFP has paddle shifters At least mine has...

I have a DFP, and i use 1 foot for driving (my right) cause thats what i need to work on for real driving in the future.

I don't know... I heel and toe even I use a DFP with no clutch pedal

I use an old pair of pedals from a Driving Force wheel for a clutch, and heel/toe on my DFP pedals, and have done for a couple of years. Took a month or so to get used to it IIRC, and then I was faster than my old times in the road cars (I don't drive much else).

It does give you the opportunity for more spectacular mistakes though. Sometimes I miss the brake pedal completely with my right foot - my foot sails over the top and it's difficult to make the next corner. It's especially embarrassing if someone else's car is infront of you when this happens.

DFP is great overall. I also heel-toe without a clutch. For comfort, I pushed the pedals far enough to the right so when I straighten my right leg, it is already over the brake pedal without any need to move my leg left or right to get it. The biggest problem I have with heel-toeing is trying to keep the brake application constant. Whenever I blip the throttle with my foot, I lift off the brake and with my axis sensitivity set to maximum, I tend to overshoot the corner when braking. If you see me in Conedodgers 1, you probably see me overshoot the corner and hit someone, overshoot and go into the gravel, overshoot then lock the brakes and slide to make it through the corner, or steer away from the corner so I don't hit anyone.
The problem you might get could be all of the pedals dying on you then going back to life. It happens to revision A models of the DFP (which I unfortunately have). Try to get revision B models if you can.

So it does have paddle shifters... weird (but good to know) because all the videos/photos i saw never show people using it (i think the sequencial shift is too cool heh)

Well i see that in a serious race i will use the auto clutch and both feet to brake an throttle. And for training/fun i might use the clutch (with my old wheel's pedals.)
thanks again!

I have a DFP and i use left foot for brakes, and right for gas... works for me, Try that

Left paddle = clutch, right paddle = handbrake. It worked for me when I had a DFP, and I H&T with that config.

mrodgers , i guess your feet wont be getting cold , cool shoes

Left pedal = brake - middle pedal = unused - right pedal = throttle.

No heel and toe; left foot braking for the win. And leaving the middle pedal free; no need to keep your thighs together. Heating up your balls exposes to testicular cancer anyway.

Even with two pedals, don't try racing with both feet.
Before I bought my G25, I had an old Logitech Formula wheel, and I only drove with my right foot (2 pedals, 180° of lock xD).

When I bought my G25 in mid december 2007, I still didn't do the heel toe stuff, I tried it when I thought I could handle the pedals (because it is easier to do in most RL cars than on the G25 pedals ), but in one week I could handle it pretty well, and it gave better braking stability and faster accelereting times (you don't have to wait 0.2 seconds more till your engine revs to the wanted RPM, which might make the difference before long straights ).

Wait, wait. Are you guys suggesting playing with your left foot on the brakes? :/

Using both feet while driving LFS is just like using both hands while playing CS...

wow guys, this is quite intense. i have just bought the DFP (sat) and the thought of H & T hasnt even crossed my mind. Just to get it straight, those of you that are H & T, are you using auto clutch or are you using one of the buttons as a clutch?

I tried my wheel out last night for the first time with a rear wheel drive and really struggled on the down change... but with auto clutch, seems as tho you'll have to be pretty damn exact to get the H & T right without accelerating through your braking point, thereby lengthening your braking zone?!?!

Or am i missing something?

Well, when I have used steering wheel without clutch-pedal, I used button as a clutch. Sure, you'll have to practice the usage (Because it is either "on" or "off" and you use finger instead of feet).

After all, it wasn't so bad. Luckily don't have to do that usually, only when I visit a friend of mine (And what else we do than play LFS..? [And drinking beer])

You have 2 feet. You have either 2 pedals or you have 3 pedals. With 2 pedals, you have 1 foot for each pedal. If you have 3 pedals, you have 1 more pedal than you have feet. You have to make a decision, do you try to use your left foot for both clutch and brake, or do you try to use your right foot for brake and throttle. It's quite simple.

2 pedals, use both feet. 3 pedals, heel and toe with right and clutch with left.....

Quote from mrodgers :

You have 2 feet. You have either 2 pedals or you have 3 pedals. With 2 pedals, you have 1 foot for each pedal. If you have 3 pedals, you have 1 more pedal than you have feet. You have to make a decision, do you try to use your left foot for both clutch and brake, or do you try to use your right foot for brake and throttle. It's quite simple.

2 pedals, use both feet. 3 pedals, heel and toe with right and clutch with left.....

that was very simplistic choice, thanks.
PS: i read that someone uses 2 pedals, one for clutch (!) and another for hand brake(!!!!!) ??? wow.

I was just wondering, everwhere i look i find the dfp for ps2, and never for pc. And what would be better, dfp or MOMO?