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Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

Intelligence is a part of genetics, and these criminals/scum tristan talks of are spreading. maybe one day we will have 2 races? chavs and people.

This is ignorant double talk: the inheritability of intelligence is a complex subject that only fascists and idiots attempt to encapsulate in two line sentence. Which one are you?
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :In the last 100 years, food and medical attention has become available for ALL. everyone is helped no matter what is wrong with them. survival of the fittest?

Intelligence is a part of genetics, and these criminals/scum tristan talks of are spreading. maybe one day we will have 2 races? chavs and people.

100 years ago, the death rates among new born children was very high, because they were weak. Now, because all of our food is readily available, no-one knows how to hunt or provide for themselfs, we just sit infront of computers all day. we have become a totally watered down and useless race!

So wrong it hurts. ALL, for ****s sakes?

For the 1.9 billion children from the developing world, there are:
640 million without adequate shelter (1 in 3)
400 million with no access to safe water (1 in 5)
270 million with no access to health services (1 in 7)

1.6 billion people — a quarter of humanity — live without electricity

20% of the population in the developed nations, consume 86% of the world’s goods

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Facts.asp

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Maybe we should just nuke 80% of earth's pouplation so we 20% can continue with our good lives? Or maybe we should just leave the wealthy and kill all the rest, making the world so much better place? And, for crying out loud, make sure evolution "doesn't stop". Progress!
LOL this thread is testiment to the dangers of using sarcasm on the internet
Quote from Glenn67 :LOL this thread is testiment to the dangers of using sarcasm on the internet

Really? I thought it was a testament to the dangers of stating uninformed opinions as facts. Talk shit and someone will call you on it.
im not talking about poverty in other countries, because its something i do not know much about. all i do know is that they are not watered down, they have to travel a long way to get water, their immune systems are strong.im talking about the type of chav in this country, who just sit infront of the TV contributing nothing
My god, there are some clueless people is this forum/world.

Personally, I am glad that I had a tough, council estate upbringing, made me see things from that side of the fence, now I appreciate what I have got, unlike people who had there lives handed to them on a plate, if I had to chose, I'd pick my upbringing, regardless of how hard it was, then I wouldn't be forced to say shit like has been said above.

There are a HELL of a lot of people who are forced to live in poverty, and on council estates simply because they have no option, of course, there is a minority of people like you describe, but they are the minority (for my experiances), so don't tar a whole class of people with the same brush just because of the minority.

I was LUCKY to get out of it, by a few things, bad things, that happened, but I did get out of it, others aren't so lucky.

Anyway, as for the OP, talent is something you are born with, you've either got "IT" or you haven't, and no amount of "learning" with give "IT" to you.
Quote from nihil :Really? I thought it was a testament to the dangers of stating uninformed opinions as facts. Talk shit and someone will call you on it.

ayrton senna 87 response taken in context with other posts he was replying to gives me the impression he was being sarcastic maybe I'm reading him wrong and he was serrious would like him to come back and say but you have all probably scared him away
I see alot of occassions were people take comments in isolation rather than in context of the thread and jump to what I feel are wrong conclusions about the intention of the post, everyone seems to be a little too highly strung around here lately
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :im not talking about poverty in other countries, because its something i do not know much about. ... im talking about the type of chav in this country,

Which you think you know something about.
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :im not talking about poverty in other countries, because its something i do not know much about. all i do know is that they are not watered down, they have to travel a long way to get water, their immune systems are strong.im talking about the type of chav in this country, who just sit infront of the TV contributing nothing

So when did you last go out hunting for food? Where is the land that is available for us to gather berries and shoot deer? How can you, sitting in front of your computer, define intelligence so blithely when people who actually study intelligence for a living disagree on how to define it?

I ask you again, which are you: a fascist or an idiot?
Quote from Glenn67 :
I see alot of occassions were people take comments in isolation rather than in context of the thread and jump to what I feel are wrong conclusions about the intention of the post, everyone seems to be a little too highly strung around here lately

Yeah, I post less often these days, but mainly because people talk such crap. Something like this I can't help adding to though, because I don't think there's any sarcasm here. People are talking about eugenics

It needs to be challenged.

Back OT:

Quote :Anyway, main point of this topic is to ask you, do you give a special status to these F1 legends and that its impossible to be at their level or do you believe that one day, with a lot of hard work, dedication and determination to improve yourself, reach their level?

Its not hard to see why the topic should go off on a tangent when so many assumptions are left open in the original question... We need to strip this down and ask what exactly is meant by being at, say, Jim Clarke's level.

Do we mean his skill as a driver and how do we measure that? Do we mean his fame as a champion, and how can we relate that to today's national and international championships? Do we mean his perceived integrity and isn't that something that's achievable by anyone, in any field, regardless of their talent however you measure it?

My own point of view? I think measuring yourself against the past is a fruitless activity. The point is to learn from the past, not ape it or equal it in some abstract system of comparison. Racing is a wasteful activity, and that's a good thing - far too much of our lives is spent in coerced forms of 'productivity'. Racing is a meditational activity: that's to say its a moment of complete awareness in the present. Your last lap is irrelevant; what matters is this braking point, this turn in point, this apex.

Are you as good as Jim Clarke? Who cares? What matters is how hard you are concentrating on now.
Quote from nihil :It needs to be challenged.

I find waving and smiling is more benifical to my mental health

I've found trying to tell others that they are thinking wrong is futil and I know the way I think isn't necessarily correct either we all view life through the experiences we have had so we are all biased in some way...

My own opinion on what makes a racing legend is that we are all not created equal. This doesn't mean that there is no hope for us average joe's, we can all become very good at whatever we choose with a lot of hard work and dedication. But the difference between someone that is a professional and someone that reaches the very pinicale and becomes legendary is that they are professional in combination with a fortunate mix of dna

Quote from nihil :Are you as good as Jim Clarke? Who cares? What matters is how hard you are concentrating on now.

I couldn't agree more
Quote from tristancliffe :Agreed. People are NOT born equal - stupidity is part of the genes. Some people will be thick twats no matter how much money they have (although in general terms the stupid people tend to be the poor people because they can't manage money, and spent it on lotteries or scratchcards, or other "Stupid Taxes" etc).

Some call it elitism. I call it nature. Sadly society has stopped nature from working - stupid, fat, ugly, disease ridden people wouldn't breed if nature had it's way, but somehow even the worst kind scum seems to find a mate these days. And then breeds on a huge scale, and fill their council estates with ugly, stupid, disease ridden, swearing good-for-nothing scummy children.

In an ideal world they'd all be slaughtered for the good of the species, but no one is allowed to say that...

You seem to be generalizing and presuming stupid, fat, ugly, disease ridden people are all the idiots that dont deserve to live. If our society has progressed to a point where everyone can live a rich full life than I would say that is damn good progress of the human race.

You can't help what upbringing you have had, you can't help what culture you were born into, I say your comment is uncalled for, escpecially in this thread...or anywhere on this forum.
Quote from JJ72 :if you are born to be a champ, you would have known the first time you touch a go kart, or in the case of lewis hamilton, a RC car.

I think it's really a one in a million thing, literally.

just like Einstein failed Mathematics the first years? And those chessmaters that have below average IQ? -_- "99% is hard work 1% is talent","Genius (legends whatever) are made, not born". I wouldnt say only 1% is talent, but you get the point.
Quote from nihil :So when did you last go out hunting for food? Where is the land that is available for us to gather berries and shoot deer? How can you, sitting in front of your computer, define intelligence so blithely when people who actually study intelligence for a living disagree on how to define it?

I ask you again, which are you: a fascist or an idiot?

did i say that i was any better than anyone else?

i saw WE are a watered down race
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :did i say that i was any better than anyone else?

i saw WE are a watered down race

make a difference then... jump from a bulding and lets see how your immune system copes with that

i love the irony of accusing a whole bunch of people for being useless while idolizing another bunch that does do nothing of value wasting tons of fuel in the process
Some people are getting really close to quoting phrases from “Mein Kampf”.

Back O/T, talent is something that can not be taught this is true, however people can be taught how to drive fast, but the little bit of talent can be the difference between the top 3 and 4th.
Quote from Shotglass :make a difference then... jump from a bulding and lets see how your immune system copes with that

i love the irony of accusing a whole bunch of people for being useless while idolizing another bunch that does do nothing of value wasting tons of fuel in the process

immune systems don't counter-act falls from height
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

i saw WE are a watered down race

And that is an assumption based on ground so unstable that it takes rare arrogance and common naivety to turn it into an assertion.

It assumes there is a cohesive "we" in the first place. It assumes that evolution has a goal that can be diluted. Taken in conjunction with your previous comments, it assumes that social, co-operative activity is a lower evolutionary strategy than antagonistic competition. It assumes there is a golden age of fitness that can be returned to. It attaches an unsubstantiated importance to conditions of austerity. I could go on but don't have the time....
pointless details just do it already
Quote from nihil :And that is an assumption based on ground so unstable that it takes rare arrogance and common naivety to turn it into an assertion.

It assumes there is a cohesive "we" in the first place. It assumes that evolution has a goal that can be diluted. Taken in conjunction with your previous comments, it assumes that social, co-operative activity is a lower evolutionary strategy than antagonistic competition. It assumes there is a golden age of fitness that can be returned to. It attaches an unsubstantiated importance to conditions of austerity. I could go on but don't have the time....

good point
Quote from Shotglass :i know what you mean and im not even creative at all... in the last year or two ive somehow managed to completely lose all ambitions (largely thanks to siemens and some messed up crap at uni) and now i spend my days mostly drifting through life trying to barely hold onto the scraps of determination that will somehow have to suffice to carry me through however many years of work while indulging myself in tons and tons of pointless waste of time tv shows

written by you only a few days ago
u are exactly the type of waste of space of which i spoke
Thank god tristan and ayrton don't get to choose who gets to live and who's not!

How do you pick the ones that are harmful to human genomene, to human evolution? Those that disagree with you or those who think you are just bloody stupid?
Quote from Hyperactive :

How do you pick the ones that are harmful to human genomene, to human evolution? Those that disagree with you or those who think you are just bloody stupid?

LOL... This is the problem at the heart of eugenics: while it might be based on a scientific hypothesis, its implementation is always political, based on contestable social assumptions.
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :written by you only a few days ago
u are exactly the type of waste of space of which i spoke

That's interesting, given that Tristan wants to euthanise all the stupids, so under his rule Shotglass would live and you'd be one of the first against the wall.

Way to go proving Nihil's point.
Quote from ayrton senna 87 :written by you only a few days ago
u are exactly the type of waste of space of which i spoke

except that all you are is a mediocre karter and i am a rather quite good at engineering... youll accomplish nothing of value in life and im halfway to there to make some useful contributions to my field of science
dont even try to pull that sort of crap on me... especially not if youre unable to do it without double posting making you look like more of a chump than you already are

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