Quote from Zen321 :

Bullshit.

If this is what you think about what dirfting is, then you must be a poorly skilled drifter.
Drifting is controlling a slide of the car. Overpowering the rear wheels is the simplest (and noobest) way to initiate that slide.

As long as you get the car sliding on purpose, then you drift it. Watch rallye races, most of the guys have got AWD or FWD cars and still they slide all the way around the track, even if it is on asphalt courses.



Any moron can put a RWD car sideways and call it drifting, but it doesn't make it so. Just go in any drift server and you'll see at least 50% of the guys there taking the XRT or the FZ5 and using the power to launch it sideways.



Partly true, partly wrong. At the beginning, drifting was just a driving style. Nowadays, there is that craze about showdrifting (aka : clearing corners as fast as an UF1 would with a 500hp+ car, and call it "stylish" <-- imho, i don't flame/blame people from showdrifting).

So to get back from the topic, an FWD car can drift and hold it. The most simple way is to pull from times to times the ebrake in a corner (to prevent the powerundersteer of the car). For faster corners, you can also brake with your left foot while accelerating with your right : controlling the amount of pressure on the brakes will help you control your angle and speed.

And if you guys want to drift fast, you have to forget that drifting is about oversteering. Drifting fast is a mix of oversteer and understeer at the same time (so basically : sliding with the 4 wheels, and not simply two). Once you guys get that, and stop thinking about overpowering the rear wheels, then maybe you could start being called good drifters.

?? The most easy way is E-braking not power over, allot of the guys out here also use the feint technique, or possibly the clutchkick (wich i prefer along with dirtdrop). And no thats not true about the 4wheel drifting, look at the movies of the D1GP there not always having huge angles, u should inform yourself better before answering like a headless chicken. An BTW Keiichi Tsuchiya guy really diidn't ment FWD imo; even he knows that's the most idiotic way to drift.

Quote from Driftfun :

I want to know what's this

hehe, looks like a rwd UF to me...

Is Keiichi Tsuchiya the guy called The drift king who was showing the basic 6 techniques of drifting in Drift bible?
At least 3 of them techniques can be used for drifting a fwd car. Dynamic drifting, power lift of technique and braking into a corner (not e-braking).

Quote from Scrabby :

And no thats not true about the 4wheel drifting, look at the movies of the D1GP there not always having huge angles, u should inform yourself better before answering like a headless chicken.

Is there any sense in your sentence at all ?
I'm sorry, but you are the headless chicken here. What's the point between 4 wheel drift is false and they don't have huge angles in D1GP?

Look at LeMans races under rain, you'll see that their four wheel lose grip after the apex of the hairpin and they get an angle of about 7-8° through it.
The basic idea of the 4 wheel drift is : oversteer-->understeer (like grip) : you progressively lose grip of the rear wheels at the beginning of the corner till the apex, then you reaccelerate and progressively lose the grip of the front wheels while progressively regaining it at the rear wheels.

In theory simple as ABC, in real condition, it requires some guts and skills to do it.
And this is fastest. to say in a universe you can understand, look at Saiko D's setups. They are the best drift team ever and their setup are really understeery under acceleration, which makes them go faster while still sideways.

So don't be rude unless you have the elements to counter the point of any guy. It just makes you appear as an ignorant preck.

Please... not another discussion (flame war?) about what is drifting, and what isn't...

Quote from jibber :

Please... not another discussion (flame war?) about what is drifting, and what isn't...

Im all for that.

But for the record you would call what Rally drivers do "POWERSLIDING" Much like what the UF1 can do. Theres a fine line between Drifting and Powersliding and many cant see it.

So open your eyes and judge it on what it actually is Powersliding or Drifting.

Also after finally watching the video i have to say im actually quite impressed with the driver of the UF1

Quote from Driftfun :

I want to know what's this

I know what it is ... it's time for the burning banana.

:bananadea

Yes, I am a very poor drifter. Primarily because I think it's pointless, so I've never done it

The ProDrift series was held in Ireland (where I live ). I went down to see it, Mondello isn't too far away from me. Not one car there was front wheel drive. There were two four wheel drives IIRC, but all of the rest were rear wheel drive.

Look at D1GP. Have you ever seen a front wheel drive car compete there? No, because it's just stupid. You can slide a shopping trolley if you like, but it's still not drifting (Unless you make the trolley rear wheel drive :razz.

A drift is supposed to be controlled using a combination of throttle and steering. You can't control a FWD drift using the throttle, as it won't affect the rear wheels. You can lock the rear wheels (and look like a complete tool), and you can cause oversteer. But oversteer != drifting...

Quote from Wikipedia - Oversteer :

Oversteer is a phenomenon that can occur in an automobile which is attempting to turn. The car is said to oversteer when the rear wheels do not track behind the front wheels but instead slide out toward the outside of the turn. Oversteer can throw the car into a spin. The effect is opposite to that of understeer.

BTW, drifting is mentioned nowhere in that article.

Quote from Wikipedia - Drifting :

Drifting (ドリフト走行, dorifuto sōkō?) refers to a driving technique and to a motor sport involving the use of the technique of turning one's car sideways. A car is said to be drifting when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, and the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa), and the driver is controlling these factors.

So, oversteer is when you lose control, unintentionally. Drifting is when you are facing the inside of the turn, and turning the wrong way. Doing that in a FWD car would just cause you to travel towards the outside of the turn, and continue that way.

This is not trying to provoke a flamewar, this is just explaining that it simply can't be done, it defies physics

BTW, that UF1 vid is using tweak to make it RWD. Just look at the skidmarks...

Quote from CobraDrifter :

No,you can't drift the UF1.You can only oversteer using weight transfer and you can't link corners and drift smoothly with an FWD car that doesnt even have power to do it.

Why do you speak when you dont even saw the replay.

I was really surprised of how well he manage to link the corners with the uf1 , he is using a strange setup yes but after all their are doing it for fun and when something looks so close to real thing its ok + it need some skill to manage to do something that the car isnt supose to

Quote from Zen321 :

Is there any sense in your sentence at all ?
I'm sorry, but you are the headless chicken here. What's the point between 4 wheel drift is false and they don't have huge angles in D1GP?

Look at LeMans races under rain, you'll see that their four wheel lose grip after the apex of the hairpin and they get an angle of about 7-8° through it.
The basic idea of the 4 wheel drift is : oversteer-->understeer (like grip) : you progressively lose grip of the rear wheels at the beginning of the corner till the apex, then you reaccelerate and progressively lose the grip of the front wheels while progressively regaining it at the rear wheels.

In theory simple as ABC, in real condition, it requires some guts and skills to do it.
And this is fastest. to say in a universe you can understand, look at Saiko D's setups. They are the best drift team ever and their setup are really understeery under acceleration, which makes them go faster while still sideways.

So don't be rude unless you have the elements to counter the point of any guy. It just makes you appear as an ignorant preck.

Every drift set feels understeery on normal driving not only Saiko D's sets and this is the result of excessive negative camber that makes the tire to have the best surface contact at about the half way to the full lock , and this isnt about going faster but to have a sharp steering control under countersteering contitions

(there are other factors too (suspension) , that makes a car understeery , but when we are speaking about drift sets this is the most common)

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

Yes, I am a very poor drifter. Primarily because I think it's pointless, so I've never done it



BTW, that UF1 vid is using tweak to make it RWD. Just look at the skidmarks...

You are an ignorant perk , all you have to do if press "F" while watching the replay to see that the car isnt RWD

Plz tell me how do you feel now ?

Quote from ZzeCoOl :

You are an ignorant perk , all you have to do if press "F" while watching the replay to see that the car isnt RWD

Plz tell me how do you feel now ?

I'm sure he was referring to Driftfun's .gif-animation.

Quote from ZzeCoOl :

You are an ignorant perk , all you have to do if press "F" while watching the replay to see that the car isnt RWD

Plz tell me how do you feel now ?

I feel great, 'cause I have the ability to understand an entire sentence.

"BTW, that UF1 vid is using tweak to make it RWD. Just look at the skidmarks...". There is only one video in this thread. This one. Seemingly I'm not the "ignorant perk", whatever that is BTW, pressing 'F' while watching it won't make a blind bit of difference. You'll just fail.

Now how do you feel? Like failure, I presume.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

I feel great, 'cause I have the ability to understand an entire sentence.

"BTW, that UF1 vid is using tweak to make it RWD. Just look at the skidmarks...". There is only one video in this thread. This one. Seemingly I'm not the "ignorant perk", whatever that is BTW, pressing 'F' while watching it won't make a blind bit of difference. You'll just fail.

Now how do you feel? Like failure, I presume.

I have uploaded the mpr, why don't you watch it?

dougie-lampkin, your e-penis just shrunk a few inches.

I'm closing the thread because it is not turning into a useful discussion and is starting to cover the same old ground and we are now receiving reported posts.

So I close the thread in the interests of keeping the forum clean.