AFAIK Moose is much newer to sim racing than that and was never part of the N2003 community. Very few here even know what happened and TBH that has barely crossed my mind, I think very few people still hold that as there abiding memory of DK/Papy.
AFAIK Moose is much newer to sim racing than that and was never part of the N2003 community. Very few here even know what happened and TBH that has barely crossed my mind, I think very few people still hold that as there abiding memory of DK/Papy.
There's a bad Papy/DK history? Pray tell..
I think you are forgetting a bit that it might be that Moose did indeed have a conversation with said beta tester and the beta tester said it was ok to leak information. The information would get to the public and it would be harder to trace....
Saying that the simulator could be made of gold but like Sam pointed out most of the community here will not touch it with a ten foot barge pole because of the simple fact of how they are running the rental system congruent with a service payment. I want my money to mean something, not pissed away into the wind. I don't care how amazing the services are. There are other ways to earn money to support services like the event system iRacing is running.
Personally I also don't like the fact that the sim developers have the say in who races in leagues and who doesn't. For obvious reasons I feel there is a strong conflict of interest. Which is another reason why I won't look at the sim.
Third reason I won't touch the sim, there is no demo that is free. Why would I want to pay $20 to find out IF I like something, something seems wrong there to me.
The simulator itself is not the major problem. The problem starts with these above said points which has nothing to do with the actual game engine and physics and the unwillingness to look at the game stems from the shear amount of money needed to support sim racing. I race online because it's cheap, not because I want to.
Saying that the simulator could be made of gold but like Sam pointed out most of the community here will not touch it with a ten foot barge pole because of the simple fact of how they are running the rental system congruent with a service payment. I want my money to mean something, not pissed away into the wind. I don't care how amazing the services are. There are other ways to earn money to support services like the event system iRacing is running.
Personally I also don't like the fact that the sim developers have the say in who races in leagues and who doesn't. For obvious reasons I feel there is a strong conflict of interest. Which is another reason why I won't look at the sim.
Third reason I won't touch the sim, there is no demo that is free. Why would I want to pay $20 to find out IF I like something, something seems wrong there to me.
The simulator itself is not the major problem. The problem starts with these above said points which has nothing to do with the actual game engine and physics and the unwillingness to look at the game stems from the shear amount of money needed to support sim racing. I race online because it's cheap, not because I want to.
Nah, just trying to make a joke that if he was doing that in iracing, his irating would suffer, relegating him to race with other course-cutters and ne'er-do-wells. Or so we believe.
I can see I failed.
@Aulden Slow
Maybe said beta tester just doesn't care and is ok with him leaking the info? Has that thought ever crossed your mind? I can kinda understand where you come from seeing that you're a loyal Kaemmer fan, and I'd probably have similar thoughts if someone leaked out some LFS secrets, but you realise that not necessarily everyone gives a turd about iRental's NDA.
Maybe said beta tester just doesn't care and is ok with him leaking the info? Has that thought ever crossed your mind? I can kinda understand where you come from seeing that you're a loyal Kaemmer fan, and I'd probably have similar thoughts if someone leaked out some LFS secrets, but you realise that not necessarily everyone gives a turd about iRental's NDA.
So you spontaneously materialising here to refute the slightly negative comments from someone who I fully believe has played the sim like he says and generally knows what he's talking about; that is you not defending iRacing? I see, my mistake.
And that makes it right?
You are either retarded or ignorant, your pick...
First, I don't take part in a league that doesn't fit me. Second, if I choose not to take part in one league, I can always find another or start my own. And third, I certainly don't pay for something dictating how I should spend my time!
The fact that his post matches the things we already know from iRacing's own EULA and knowledge base very closely doesn't make you suspicious... Come to think of it, there is no new information in his post, just confirmation (sadly) of our worst expectations...
Popcorn anywone? Ill charge a small amount of 1 EUR per 10 posts to anyone who wants it form me.
If this will be ligth years ahead of the pack we shall see. 1 thing is certain. It will most probably be light years ahead in their service, as nobody uptodate has charged so much money for a league participating. Other than that, we are yet to see how far ahead it is in terms of physics and track behaviour and "nature" dynamics aka. wind, weather and temperature.
Now if you are hard core league enthusiast, allways unhappy of the services and racing code other leagues in any other sim give you, your spot on with iRacing as it will deffo have never before seen league admiing. As for all the stuff that trully count (at least to me) in a simulator, IF however they will be included, then i will have no more to say but to somehow accept it and purchase it. If they will not be included, then all i can say is have a nice play in a best league there is.
Proves my point nicely
Basically a number of very good mods were in development that would have extended the lifespan of N2003, which DK and his team lost the rights to when they left the publisher to work on their own product. The flash point came with the GTP mod, within hours of its release DK and the iRacing team (then called First) issued threats and got it pulled. It was supposedly because it contained unlicensed content (which is true but rF's business model relies on this) and that they could be held responsible for allowing it to be released (a load of bollocks because they didn't have the rights or any ownership of N2003 anyway). This was widely seen as an attempt to kill the N2003 community because they saw it as a threat to their future product, that it was speculated would be released much sooner with much fewer major modifications to the engine. Most community members complied and the GTP mod was allowed to be re-released with all branding removed but all other mods that changed the physics (which required reverse engineering of the executable) were banned.
One guy (Tim McArthur) refused to comply and didn't pull a relatively minor mod from his website, First took him to court and both sides made a song and dance about it on their websites. Both sides went quiet and I think there was a presumption that some kind of agreement had been met, it was all very nasty anyway and left a bitter taste in the N2003 community and there was a large 'Boycott Fir$t' campaign that RSC failed to suppress. First then went quiet for a number of years renamed themselves (although they're still using the First name for part of their ranking system) and then reappeared.
They may have renamed themselves to get rid of the Fir$t image but they've just gone and got iRental for a different reason, some people never change
Maybe the beta tester doesn't mind Moose posting? What's the worst that might happen for breaking an NDA? Possibly getting thrown off the beta program and having to wait a few weeks for public release, assuming of course the beta tester has decided it's worth paying for.
On, I don't know; lets say CTRA Race1, you may start the race with 20-25 people. But how many actually finish? 12 or 14 MAX
. If you start with less, hopefully(HOPEFULLY!!!!) more than 50% of the field will finish.Hehe
LOL!
Finishing stats in CTRA aren't THAT bad!
We consider <80% races finished to be a bad number.
Finishing stats in CTRA aren't THAT bad!
We consider <80% races finished to be a bad number.uhoh..... "erases my own license"
With this thread Sam, you thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?
:edit: read TS window too Sam please =)
Right now, the only thing I'm thinking is "black forest gateaux with fresh cream", but that's just a personal affliction
I've only completed 78% of my races.. but that's just sod's law, cos when I go on using the SamH account, I constantly get asked questions while I'm trying to race
I've only completed 78% of my races.. but that's just sod's law, cos when I go on using the SamH account, I constantly get asked questions while I'm trying to race
At least you have an excuss, best I can do is Aimee calls me to do something or the phone rings...
It's Ben and Jerrys Cherry Garcia for me, they used to make it as icecream, but brought it back as frozen yougert, tastes the same, with something like 90% less fat which means I will now be 90% less fat than I would have been normally. That and thier Chunky Monkey... 'drool'
Well I'm glad you gents found the humor in my post there.
But in all seriousness, alot of people complain of T1 pileups, but with half as many cars, that guy/girl that forgot to install his brake pedal is going to have to be a litlle more accurate with his/her bump-stop
women drivers.....am I right?
According to our (prolly faulty) stats, a total of 543 women have raced in the CTRA this year so far! That would explain EVERYTHING!!!
LOL all 2% of them =)
We hear the complaints, it's a challenge to tackle with limited manpower to be sure. We know there is an issue with 'noob' drivers crashing people, we do have some concepts drawn up, have had for a good 6 months at least, but we cannot 'put the pen to paper' without some more manpower to shove at it. Reports alone can only do so much and they do a great job, but...
With the running costs of iRacing being far higher than LFS', iRacing should attract less people who don't take the time to learn the ropes. This (in theory..) should mean that larger grids are 'more viable' due to greater overall driver competence / risk involved. Having said that, take the Pinnacle of Motorsport as an example. The worlds 'best' drivers and in how many races has there not been an incident on the first lap
Add to that the virtuality factor of a sim and hobbyists who've never touched a race car etc. Expecting completely incident free racing no matter what the price model isn't realistic imo. Not that anyone was claiming it is. /rant.Oh I completely understand, I say the more the merrier, but If I'm paying 13,15,20 bucks a month, I sure don't want to be punted into the kitty litter 30% of the time so I understand where they are coming from with the smaller grids.
OT: I do most of my racing at CTRA and it has drastically improved my door-to-door racing.
Thanks! Thats our goal =) We have plenty more ideas for you guys on the blocks, just to get this degree out of the way first... and the baby... and the car... ohh and the house...
You know nothing.
I have absolutely no interest in coming here making things up for the sake of it.
I cant be bothered to go into details tbh. What's the point? it's one persons opinion. It means nothing.
I don't want to sit here giving away stuff about it either. I do respect the Devs wishes that info isn't leaked, that's why I've made some very general comments and nothing else.
I'm certainly not in any way anti iRacing. I'm just stating that for me there is not enough to it for it to be worth the asking price.
I can see it in 12 months time being worth it if there is a decent sized community and more content.
Who says i was in Britain at the time?
Why should we have respect towards Iracing devs about the NDA after what they did to the modding community?
It isn t our business...
The NDA is only here to cover the fake sim-revolution hyped by Iracing since years.
It isn t our business...
The NDA is only here to cover the fake sim-revolution hyped by Iracing since years.
Get over it. go outside, enjoy the fresh air, realise what matters in life and move on.
You obviously created your account and have been viewing this forum for some reason, you haven't shown any interest at all in LFS though and only pop up in a rather aggressive manner in this thread and still haven't explained as to what has led you to be here in the first place.
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