Started ok, then disconnected^^
not a disconnect, but a servercrash^^

That was... horrible. No offence to the admins.

Thanks for trying to set up this great league. Seemed like it would be great fun but it was pretty bad.

Rules should have been enforced a lot more. The chatting in qualifying was rediculous and in the race too. During the race is not the time to talk about graphic cards and start a discussion.

I was satisfied with my qualifying time and saw that I would probably lose connection at one point during the race. Specially with that many people in the server. So, race starts, first few laps went very well. Then Mr Niko Puntulo with a weird move on my inside with going low throwing my into the wall? When you make a move on the inside there you generally go a bit lower so that we both have space to take a good enough line. Not stick to the upper line and let me hit the wall.

Then I get back in, to watch a bit, and I see so many people who should have been black flagged but yet were still on the track and they were a GREAT danger to others. One of the leaders nearly got took out by one and I will not say the name but I think you, admins, should know who that person is.

Overall, crap race. Admins, please enforce the rules and perhaps kick or ban or suspend people from the race if needed. Talking during qual should be warning once, kick second, suspended from race third. Dangerously driving and almost taking out a leader should be an automatic kick or suspension from the race. Perhaps a black flag with a little note telling the person that they should be carefull or they would be taken out of the race.

And finally, comes the server crashing. I really wasn't surprised because of the ammount of people who were in the server at the time.

So, no offence intended admins. I'm glad you guys have come up with this great idea for a league but please enforce the rules and make sure it's fun instead of it being chaos. As for the server, well that can't really be your fault. It could have happened to anyone.

i think the whole race should be rerun on a better server with only 20 drivers not 31.

Alright.. I was apparently having some connection problems But I have a feeling I wouldn't have had a very good race anyway..


Unfortunatley I will be withdrawing from the series If multiple people do not recieve penaltys after the race. As no one has recieved one so far..

Aj

Edit: Penaltys for chatting that would be..

[¿] Shank 7 : BLUE FLAG.
[¿] Shank 7 : jesus christ.....
FR | Stefan Alfons : no blue flag in nascar
[¿] Shank 7 : yeah there is
[¿] Shank 7 : lol
FR | Stefan Alfons : no
[SR]Mp3 Astra : shh please
[¿] Shank 7 : Yes. blue w/ yellow stipes
[SR]Racer : guys shut up
[¿] Shank 7 : Yield To Blue Flag.
[¿] Shank 7 : «Thanks! Free Cookies For You Courtesy of #7»
[¿] Shank 7 : never getting a cat again.
[SR]Mp3 Astra : shank please be quiet
[¿] Shank 7 : !!! Sorry Bout That, The #7 has Insurance !!!
[SR]Mp3 Astra : if you talk again, drive through shank

5 minutes later..

[SR]Racer : chill
FR | Stefan Alfons : im not angty
Scania(HKG) 50 : sleppy
FR | Stefan Alfons : y
[¿] Shank 7 : its like 7AM right now for him
[SR]Mp3 Astra : stefan take your lap
[¿] Falcon 27 : yikes my bad =)
TCP ERROR : WOULDBLOCK
TCP : Cleared emergency store
ﾏｧ｡KOKeefe24 made a pit stop
[SR]Mp3 Astra : going green this lao
[SR]Mp3 Astra : lap
Scania(HKG) 50 voted to END RACE
[¿] Shank 7 : lol?
Scania(HKG) 50 : sorry

FR | Stefan Alfons : no,not behind u
GETschawo 35 : u overtake under yellow stefan
GETCsabee 64 : u passed me after yelloow flag
[¿] Falcon 27 : less than 10 to go and double wide??
FR | Stefan Alfons : lol?
FR | Stefan Alfons : rtbl
[SR]Mp3 Astra : boogle take back one lap
[sr]Mutt #11 : [¿] Falcon 27 - beat CORE please!
[¿] Shank 7 : +1
[SR]Racer : guys shut it
[SR]Mp3 Astra : ok, shh now please



I cant beleive there was so much unnescesary chat even by the [SR] guys..




By the way grats to Core and DWB

I was enlightening the admins on why scania would be sleepy...

and all this was under caution...and i thought we discussed this in practice that caution chat was okay if limited...

I have discussed this with a friend and I have decided that I will be limiting my chatting to anything directed directly towards me...or leaving pits etc.

Quote from AjRose :

Alright.. I was apparently having some connection problems But I have a feeling I wouldn't have had a very good race anyway..


Unfortunatley I will be withdrawing from the series If multiple people do not recieve penaltys after the race. As no one has recieved one so far..

Aj

Edit: Penaltys for chatting that would be..

[¿] Shank 7 : BLUE FLAG.
[¿] Shank 7 : jesus christ.....
FR | Stefan Alfons : no blue flag in nascar
[¿] Shank 7 : yeah there is
[¿] Shank 7 : lol
FR | Stefan Alfons : no
[SR]Mp3 Astra : shh please
[¿] Shank 7 : Yes. blue w/ yellow stipes
[SR]Racer : guys shut up
[¿] Shank 7 : Yield To Blue Flag.
[¿] Shank 7 : «Thanks! Free Cookies For You Courtesy of #7»
[¿] Shank 7 : never getting a cat again.
[SR]Mp3 Astra : shank please be quiet
[¿] Shank 7 : !!! Sorry Bout That, The #7 has Insurance !!!
[SR]Mp3 Astra : if you talk again, drive through shank

5 minutes later..

[SR]Racer : chill
FR | Stefan Alfons : im not angty
Scania(HKG) 50 : sleppy
FR | Stefan Alfons : y
[¿] Shank 7 : its like 7AM right now for him
[SR]Mp3 Astra : stefan take your lap
[¿] Falcon 27 : yikes my bad =)
TCP ERROR : WOULDBLOCK
TCP : Cleared emergency store
ﾏｧ｡KOKeefe24 made a pit stop
[SR]Mp3 Astra : going green this lao
[SR]Mp3 Astra : lap
Scania(HKG) 50 voted to END RACE
[¿] Shank 7 : lol?
Scania(HKG) 50 : sorry

FR | Stefan Alfons : no,not behind u
GETschawo 35 : u overtake under yellow stefan
GETCsabee 64 : u passed me after yelloow flag
[¿] Falcon 27 : less than 10 to go and double wide??
FR | Stefan Alfons : lol?
FR | Stefan Alfons : rtbl
[SR]Mp3 Astra : boogle take back one lap
[sr]Mutt #11 : [¿] Falcon 27 - beat CORE please!
[¿] Shank 7 : +1
[SR]Racer : guys shut it
[SR]Mp3 Astra : ok, shh now please



I cant beleive there was so much unnescesary chat even by the [SR] guys..





By the way grats to Core and DWB

I understand your thoughts, but to be honest it was one of the hardest jobs I've ever had to do. It doesn't help when half the field are trying to make the rules for themselves, and it's even harder to keep track of lapped cars, chatting, wrecks, safety car instructions and the like. I believe the series organisers (I was just drafted in as an admin at the last minute) will be looking at the replay and doing whatever they feel necessary.

I apologise on behalf of the management for any inconvenience caused by our inexperience. We have learned a lot of lessons from this race, and it can only get better, I can assure you.

PS mistatea I have also read your post, and we will take on board your criticisms. I'm sure there will be a thorough post-race analysis of what to change for next time.

i talked under caution. and only 2 times.

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

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I can understand how hard it must have been. But there were certain people that should have been kicked for chatting. Once one or two people get penaltys for chatting everyone would stop..(I would hope)

I suppose It can only get better from here. But If you want a Serious league You have to Give people serious penaltys.


Aj

The chat during qualifying and during the race was just downright disrespectful. If you can't follow the rules set out then why are you participating? Same goes for the admins... i mean no disrespect, but why tell people to 'Shut Up' then continue talking about something unrelated yourselves...?

All in all.. the race was ok.. it wasn't great... but i'm mainly blaming that on the server crash, which really isn't anyone's fault.

If you are trying to portray a professional 'image' for this league... that really went out the window this race, sorry to say. As far as my future in this league is concerned... if I don't see some more proactive administration of the event and servers taking place.... I won't be continuing... over 45 mins of time was wasted due to useless BS.

Btw, Gratz on the win DWB

Well, easily as bad on the administration front as the KY250. Seems like nothing was learned.

Not that administrating is easy with a field like we had today.

Problems:

1. Chatting. As has been mentioned, this is inexcusable. It was explicitly stated pre-race that chatting would result in a DT, but not a single one was given. There should be no chat, not even during SC periods, and not even from admins unless absolutely necessary.

2. SC driver not maintaining SC pace. This leads to all kinds of trouble back in the field, as we saw.

3. Questionable SC periods. I have no idea what that last one was for, really.

4. Quality of the field. There were several drivers who had no business being out there.

5. Quality of the server. No explanation needed.

That said, great race with the frontrunners. Thanks to Sarge & my teammates for the drafting help and courteous driving.

Let's hope things get better.

Indeed, grats to DWB and PMD. Great race. Grats to the Guess Motorsports crew aswell.

And very nice race to you Niki. Really sucks about that last lap :P

I think I've sent all complaints so far a personal PM. If you haven't got a PM I would be happy to send you one!

I agree with everything that's been said before. Due to my bad fortune and getting involved in almost every incident, I thought the pace car wasn't keeping a steady lap since all I was during caution was accelerate, brake, brace for impact, accelerate, brake, brace for impact.

Do we really have a lot of kids here? It seems most people go a la Clarkson "POWAAAAAAAA" and don't even know they have a middle pedal called the brake. I was slowing down for mishaps in front of me and people at the back thought they could fly through the wrecks. And like I said earlier, even during caution I was getting hammered from the rear.

Server crash. It happens. You guys seem to spring quickly into action unfortunately there were some people that thought they were admins on this server. The admins should also NOT use the race to chat and instead use something like TS or Vent.

Also, do any of the kids know what it means to shut up? Or do they know how to read? Asking for setups on raceday? Automatic kick/ban for that day to the server. Eventually that happened but it should have happened right at the beginning.

I would love to participate in this league because it is on the weekends. I usually drive in LOTA but because of my shift work, I miss 2/3rds of the races. I want you guys to succeed but please enforce the rules. There should be a boatload of chatting penalties this time around.

As a request, can someone post the replays?

Quote from Mischief007 :

I agree with everything that's been said before. Due to my bad fortune and getting involved in almost every incident, I thought the pace car wasn't keeping a steady lap since all I was during caution was accelerate, brake, brace for impact, accelerate, brake, brace for impact.

Do we really have a lot of kids here? It seems most people go a la Clarkson "POWAAAAAAAA" and don't even know they have a middle pedal called the brake. I was slowing down for mishaps in front of me and people at the back thought they could fly through the wrecks. And like I said earlier, even during caution I was getting hammered from the rear.

Server crash. It happens. You guys seem to spring quickly into action unfortunately there were some people that thought they were admins on this server. The admins should also NOT use the race to chat and instead use something like TS or Vent.

Also, do any of the kids know what it means to shut up? Or do they know how to read? Asking for setups on raceday? Automatic kick/ban for that day to the server. Eventually that happened but it should have happened right at the beginning.

I would love to participate in this league because it is on the weekends. I usually drive in LOTA but because of my shift work, I miss 2/3rds of the races. I want you guys to succeed but please enforce the rules. There should be a boatload of chatting penalties this time around.

As a request, can someone post the replays?

This time, the safety car driver had a mouse, but next time there will be a safety car driver with pedals and a wheel, for smoothness.

As for chatting penalties, that will be discussed (excuse the pun) between the organisers and I'm sure a satisfactory decision will be met.

As for admin chatter, most of it was in vent but some slipped through vent and had to be text spoken. There was A LOT going on in the vent channel, believe me!

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

3. Questionable SC periods. I have no idea what that last one was for, really.

The last period was needed - there were a couple of incidents that occurred on that lap.

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

This time, the safety car driver had a mouse.

well...cough...* ...mouse...! i drive with mouse, been always a mousey, as for the race, it was great, a good fun as i thought though afte servercrash i had damage and that darn 38.50 became my fastest lap , still managed to finish after loads of backrapes etc...I think server was fine, no lag at all for me, fps was great ...just that, timed out was wierd, anyway, better luck next time

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

This time, the safety car driver had a mouse, but next time there will be a safety car driver with pedals and a wheel, for smoothness.

As for chatting penalties, that will be discussed (excuse the pun) between the organisers and I'm sure a satisfactory decision will be met.

As for admin chatter, most of it was in vent but some slipped through vent and had to be text spoken. There was A LOT going on in the vent channel, believe me!

Thanks for explaining. Speed limit was 80 mph. Even with mouse could you guys not have it geared where it would top out at 80? Just wondering.

Anyways, I lost power 5 minutes after I logged out of the server. Since my APC connects to an ungrounded socket, it looks like it took the whole hit of whatever lightning bolt hit our electrical segment.

--------I already made a new thread..''cant delete''. sry didnt see this.

I'm going to make this the nicest i can... but thats going to be hard.
In a list, are the negative thoughts
1. POOR server, which you know already, please find a better 1.. simple
2.The staff that was in charge just wanted me to hit alt+f4.. the rules and how it ran was just really a shame.
3. There where MANY ppl that where suppose to get DT, and it seemed they let it go. Shame..
4.And some times i thought the safety car wasn't coming.....

Might be rough. But it's slim to what im feeling.
Thanks

Sarge

Quote from Sarge9191 :

--------I already made a new thread..''cant delete''. sry didnt see this.

I'm going to make this the nicest i can... but thats going to be hard.
In a list, are the negative thoughts
1. POOR server, which you know already, please find a better 1.. simple
2.The staff that was in charge just wanted me to hit alt+f4.. the rules and how it ran was just really a shame.
3. There where MANY ppl that where suppose to get DT, and it seemed they let it go. Shame..
4.And some times i thought the safety car wasn't coming.....

Might be rough. But it's slim to what im feeling.
Thanks

Sarge

I'm confused, did you already post that? If so, where?

Qualifying
Times were decent, got to watch who would be the people to look out for (meaning slow/dangerous cars). The best thing happened during this time and it was that you told arox to leave because he was a threat to others. But even in qualifying there should be NO CHAT period. Admins I thought were on ts/vent, and they still decided to talk. To me, if someone talks during qualifying they should have to start in the back.

Race
The rolling start actually worked well in the beginning, surprisingly. Once the race started everything seemed to be fine, then a caution flew and here came the chatter. Each person that spoke should of got a DT instantly, but you guys just said shhh.. Anyways, people seemed to behave pretty well on track and the race went on fine until the server crash. Then we came back and started back up, and everyone pit as we were going green since it was the beginning of the pit window (I myself was laughing after this). But then we were green for a while and people were spread out. Then we had a caution, then another, and then finally we had a green white checkered. Little racing incident at the end that completed a long and disappointing race.

Overall the chatter and lack of force by the admins pretty much ruined the race. This is an easy fix and hopefully it is fixed by next round. I could add more but I am going to try to not look back on this race.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Overall the chatter and lack of force by the admins pretty much ruined the race. This is an easy fix and hopefully it is fixed by next round. I could add more but I am going to try to not look back on this race.

Exactly. Easy fix - for sure. Just think of this as teething troubles, but teething troubles travelling at 150mph

When I type it's sitting in a chair, not going 150mph. It is simple if you have a group of drivers that are respectful, I see the problem you can have there since a little of the field were not. But still, actually following up on the rules by giving out the penalties is not that hard.

Quote from PMD9409 :

When I type it's sitting in a chair, not going 150mph.

Well, my house is currently moving at 150mph.... I must be different!

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

I'm confused, did you already post that? If so, where?

Its called Todays event..

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44114

Quote from Sarge9191 :

Its called Todays event..

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=44114

Oh. That. Wow. This is confusing!