Currently here are the penalties. There will be more to follow if complaints are filed or the admins catch something later.

Formal Complaints can be sent through PM to me

7 / Tom Wetmore / [¿]~ShanK / Guess Motorsports: DQed for excessive chat

11 / Paul Johnson / [SR] Mutt / Storm Racing: DQed for excessive chat

29 / Kenneth O'Keefe / K.O'Keefe / Rising Phoenix Motorsports: +1 lap to finish for passing before the start finish line on a restart

Exonerated:

50 / Scania Fung / Scania(HKG) / Privateer: Passing before the start finish line on a restart

lol.

what penalty will I have?

DQing for chat seems like a bit of overcompensation. You failed to control conditions on the server, didn't indicate that this was a possible punishment (only punishment mentioned pre-race was a DT), and are now arbitrarily assigning it.

IMO, forget about penalizing for chatting during this round and work on being more vigilant during the subsequent races.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

DQing for chat seems like a bit of overcompensation. You failed to control conditions on the server, didn't indicate that this was a possible punishment (only punishment mentioned pre-race was a DT), and are now arbitrarily assigning it.

IMO, forget about penalizing for chatting during this round and work on being more vigilant during the subsequent races.

No I did indicate a punishment but we just didnt carry it out There's a difference .

Both the punished were asked many times to stop chatting and they didn't. If we had kicked and banned them like we said we would they would have gotten a DQed anyway.

Next time it'll just be a straight kick and ban.

Quote from lizardfolk :

No I did indicate a punishment but we just didnt carry it out There's a difference .

If you have rules and don't enforce them, you effectively don't have rules.

(Reminds me: there was no layout on the track today, negating your pit entry/exit rules.)

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Both the punished were asked many times to stop chatting and they didn't. If we had kicked and banned them like we said we would they would have gotten a DQed anyway.

As I recall, no one ever threatened a kick/ban, nor was it ever stated as a potential penalty for chatting until after the race. The penalty stated in the server was a DT.

i was dqed anyway.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Reminds me: there was no layout on the track today, negating your pit entry/exit rules.

Ya, racer had the lyt but if you recall he kept getting disconnected and had to be dismissed. So we had to do without it (and luckily there was no problems with it).

So as a precaution i'm backing everything up myself for next round incase this happens again.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

As I recall, no one ever threatened a kick/ban, nor was it ever stated as a potential penalty for chatting until after the race. The penalty stated in the server was a DT.

I believe there was (racer did so)? Let me check, but right now that's a bit besides the point.

Point was there was very poor implementation of rules during the first round and there have been poor organization for the 1st round as well.

All of our admins including myself realize that. We're going to have a meeting tomorrow on how to learn from out mistakes to make race 2 a better experience.

Quote from mutt107 :

i was dqed anyway.

As a note for future reference, if you scored poorly (or last) you still get points, if your DQed you get nothing.

Sorry, please try to restrain yourself from chatting unecessarily next round

Quote from lizardfolk :

No I did indicate a punishment but we just didnt carry it out There's a difference .

Both the punished were asked many times to stop chatting and they didn't. If we had kicked and banned them like we said we would they would have gotten a DQed anyway.

Next time it'll just be a straight kick and ban.

...ummm...not exactly.

In NASCAR, you are allowed to pass on the outside on restarts before the start finish line...Sorry I guess I missed this in the rules

Quote from TomShanK :

...ummm...not exactly.

Even though our threats turned out not to be carried out in the race, you should have still used the parts of your brain concentrating on driving, remembering not to talk. We did ask several times - and yes the threats didn't appear to be pulled off during the race - but it was unacceptable and I think a DQ is what is needed for that complete disregard for what the admins were saying during the race.

Quote from racer hero :

In NASCAR, you are allowed to pass on the outside on restarts before the start finish line...Sorry I guess I missed this in the rules

I didn't include that as an exception. That would have caused too much chaos at the restarts with everyone trying to pass on the outside.

You might not get a penalty, because i believe you were a lapped down when you passed a lead lap car before the line and since it was suppose to be double file restarts that doesn't count. (You didn't gain any position)

Quote from lizardfolk :

I didn't include that as an exception. That would have caused too much chaos at the restarts with everyone trying to pass on the outside.

You might not get a penalty, because i believe you were a lapped down when you passed a lead lap car before the line and since it was suppose to be double file restarts that doesn't count. (You didn't gain any position)

OKeefe passed more than once on the restart. And there is no way he was adhering to the 80m/hr speed limit to wizz by us that fast on the restart. Unless he was using a speed hack to accelerate!!

Quote from Toddshooter :

OKeefe passed more than once on the restart. And there is no way he was adhering to the 80m/hr speed limit to wizz by us that fast on the restart. Unless he was using a speed hack to accelerate!!

Actually no, I have my 3rd and 4th gear setup for the restart. It accelerates perfectly. How dare you ever say I would use a speed hack...Are you kidding me..?

Quote from Toddshooter :

OKeefe passed more than once on the restart. And there is no way he was adhering to the 80m/hr speed limit to wizz by us that fast on the restart. Unless he was using a speed hack to accelerate!!

Seeing as he didn't pass before the green flag it means that he was keeping the 80 kmh. (sarcasm)And off course he was using speed hack. I mean, don't we all? (/sarcasm)

I think your just jelous cuz his reaction time was way better and he thought about setting up the 3rd and 4th gears right

mmhmm...whatever you say admins...

Quote from racer hero :

Actually no, I have my 3rd and 4th gear setup for the restart. It accelerates perfectly. How dare you ever say I would use a speed hack...Are you kidding me..?

Of course I was kidding about the speed hack!

But you were going by us when the green flag went out like we were standing still. And thats everybody so I don't think we were all super slow like you seem to think. And I don't think you could have passed that many people like that if we all started to accelerate at the same time.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. I also wasn't the only one to notice it.

Yes, I understand what you saying. But I knew when the green flag was coming by watching where the leaders were on the mini map and I knew when to go because I knew where the green flag was always shown...Plus my gears and all that..I worked on starts so much now you guys are just gonna try and get me penalised because I did more work on it then you did....Pisses me off..

Quote from racer hero :

Yes, I understand what you saying. But I knew when the green flag was coming by watching where the leaders were on the mini map and I knew when to go because I knew where the green flag was always shown...Plus my gears and all that..I worked on starts so much now you guys are just gonna try and get me penalised because I did more work on it then you did....Pisses me off..

I support Ken on this, (providing there is no rule against it).

Basically he was jumping the start, laying back and taking advantage of the green flag being thrown at a set point.

IMO, green flag on restarts should be determined by the acceleration of the leader.

Quote from TomShanK :

I support Ken on this, (providing there is no rule against it).

Basically he was jumping the start, laying back and taking advantage of the green flag being thrown at a set point.

IMO, green flag on restarts should be determined by the acceleration of the leader.

There's a difference between knowing how to get a really good start so you get a jump on someone AFTER you pass the start/finish line than just our right passing someone.

Throughout the race I saw Falcon, Sarge, DWB and many others (even u shank) getting a good run on the person in front of them on the restart. But these drivers did not pass the person before they pass the start/finish line

The Lap 38 restart ken went in pit road and therefore was suppose to restart last.

Ken came out of pit road behind a few slower cars: 90, 64, 50, 35, 05, 99. When the green flag was dropped he passed those 6 cars before he passed the start finish line.

+1 lap? Are you kidding me...It should be like not even 30 seconds...It should be the length of a drive through penalty because you should of penalized it DURING THE RACE because the admins are supost to be watching the race.

because he passed 6 cars.....

Quote from racer hero :

+1 lap? Are you kidding me...It should be like not even 30 seconds...It should be the length of a drive through penalty because you should of penalized it DURING THE RACE because the admins are supost to be watching the race.

I already stated that many if not most penalties will be penalized post race. Had I given you a stop and go you would have gotten a lap down anyway.

Besides, the admins are there to watch the race yes but they cannot catch every single thing that occurs on track. We are already under manned in the first place with only 2 admins (not including me) spectating here and there.

Ken what had happen if the admins were wrong about you committing an offense (which has happened before)? I stated this already and I'll state it here again. We feel that it is best to be SURE of an offense before we hand out any penalties (hence the post race review). Therefore we'll be giving most of our penalties post race when we are SURE of an offense and seen the incident through many different perspective.

Only very heavy situations will the admins give penalties during the race (such as excessive chat or the black flag).