Quote from ajp71 :

It does make a difference on the wear of the starter motor, when you're starting a car it is good practice to declutch.

yup. if the clutch is not depressed then the starter motor has to turn the input shaft.

Quote from Qvarnis :

Yeah, but I don`t know any so called normal cars from that age which would have one and would resemble in any way with the cars that are in LFS.

FZ50, FXO, RB4 seem pretty modern. More modern then the XR/XF and UF at least.

Quote from Qvarnis :

Yeah, but I don`t know any so called normal cars from that age which would have one and would resemble in any way with the cars that are in LFS.

Depends on where you are in the world. Every single car I've driven or have had experience being in with a clutch from 1982 Fiesta, 82 Mazda GLC, 82 Rabbit, 83 Scirocco, 1985 Escort, 86 Escort GT, 87 Cavalier, 87 Mazda B2000, 88 4Runner, 89 Hilux, 92 Storm, 92 Ranger, 94 Ranger, 94 4Runner, 99 Tacoma had one. LFS models the general era of the 1990's. Came about around 1980 or so, possibly before then.

Quote from mrodgers :

Depends on where you are in the world. Every single car I've driven or have had experience being in with a clutch from 1982 Fiesta, 82 Mazda GLC, 82 Rabbit, 83 Scirocco, 1985 Escort, 86 Escort GT, 87 Cavalier, 87 Mazda B2000, 88 4Runner, 89 Hilux, 92 Storm, 92 Ranger, 94 Ranger, 94 4Runner, 99 Tacoma had one. LFS models the general era of the 1990's. Came about around 1980 or so, possibly before then.

Not here in Finland.

I'd have thought most post-80s cars with an ECU would have a clutch switch. But it would only be on/off, rather than an analogue sensor.

what alot of cars do is cut engine power when the clutch is depressed to avoid over revving and excessive clutch wear, the only prob is when they go wrong and stay stuck in the off position, meaning car has no power lol

Now that is rare. Not many cars do that at all. How would you H'n'T? How would you rev up a bit to drive away from standstill?

Did you just make that up?

Quote from tristancliffe :

I'd have thought most post-80s cars with an ECU would have a clutch switch. But it would only be on/off, rather than an analogue sensor.

If I still had my old 1999 instead of the wife hand-me-down junk automatic, I would provide a photo of the mechanical switch underneath the clutch pedal for you. And it isn't an analogue sensor, it is still an on/off cut of the ignition switch.

PM me in 5 years after the wife's vehicle is paid off and I can replace my work commuter with something of a more proper transmission and I'll get that photo....

Quote from james12s :

what alot of cars do is cut engine power when the clutch is depressed to avoid over revving and excessive clutch wear, the only prob is when they go wrong and stay stuck in the off position, meaning car has no power lol

I have never ever heard of that or experienced it. Seems kind of stupid to cut engine power when the clutch is depressed. It would make it very difficult to get a vehicle moving from a stop if that was the case.

no, tristan it uses other sensors etc to know what speed you are going but basicly some cars have systems more to reduce clutch wear, i just simplified it extremly

It still seems odd. Clutch wear from gear changes is pretty negligable compared to that from a standing start, and you can't cut the engine when you're trying to move away from standstill...

I still think you made it up.

Mike - I can manage without the photo. I believe you. I can't think of many cars that won't have some sort of clutch actuation sensor.

well i didnt make it up(someone else may have), its something ive been told by someone who doesnt useually make things up, but i may be wrong i dont know but it seems posible that some cars would have it seeing how nanny state-ish cars are getting, you cant fart without the car warning you its flammable(or possibly)lol

I actually searched for such a system on google, and found out that there actually is a patent. So, someone has designed a clutch protection system. But I don't think it is in use on any current production vehicle.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6943676.html

hmm... to my knowledge i dont have to put the clutch down while in nutral to start my car in lfs, I only have to when my car has 1st gear engaged.

I wouldn't mind an option to disable the auto clutch when you already have manual clutch setup.

cheers.
J. Smith

Quote from jeremysmith :

hmm... to my knowledge i dont have to put the clutch down while in nutral to start my car in lfs, I only have to when my car has 1st gear engaged.

I wouldn't mind an option to disable the auto clutch when you already have manual clutch setup.

cheers.
J. Smith

you mean this?

Quote from bunder9999 :

you mean this?

No, he means the fact that whether you have autoclutch enabled or not, if you stop, the clutch automa...... wait a minute, that's changed, hasn't it? You CAN stall now.

Jeremy, are you using the latest patch? Nice to see you again around here. Be careful with that post count. You don't want your post to decade ratio getting too high now...

All cars should start in the pit and track with engines off .

This would allow drivers that are not ready at the start of a race to be spectated ,if they haven't started their engine a second or two before the lights.

Would also add to the immersion /realism

Quote from wheel4hummer :

I would like separate ignition and starter, though.

Quote from JJ72 :

yup. I want my fuel pump, magneto switch, engine primer and all that as well.

+1

And while I'm at it take of the auto handbrake !!

Quote from james12s :

well i didnt make it up(someone else may have), its something ive been told by someone who doesnt useually make things up, but i may be wrong i dont know but it seems posible that some cars would have it seeing how nanny state-ish cars are getting, you cant fart without the car warning you its flammable(or possibly)lol

Its a bit more complicated than cutting ignition when you put the clutch peddal down, It actualy reduces throttle. This system will only be pressent on cars that have electronic throttles, drive by wire throttles as they call them here. What it actualy does is let you shift with your foot down on the accelerator peddal, so you never have to lift. But it also does a good job of keeping the boost up on a turbo, which is partly what it is for.
Basicaly, the computer matches the revs for you.

i know it wouldnt cut the ignition that would just cause revs to fall and do almosta s much damage but reducing throttle to maintain engine speed is the bit that is important for several reasons, as you stated turbo boost level and things liek clutch wear(although minimal), gearbox wear(again minimal) but also important a smooth ride

i like the idea... its kinda good and real.this would be for s3, right??? bye all

Quote from Turbo Dad :

All cars should start in the pit and track with engines off .

This would allow drivers that are not ready at the start of a race to be spectated ,if they haven't started their engine a second or two before the lights.

Would also add to the immersion /realism

It would be nice and realistic, but would be a pain in the arse for 5-lap pickup races having to do a parade lap every 10 minutes.

A server-option would be better, so league races and the like can be made more realistic.

I wasn't thinking parade lap , just when you appear on the start line , the engine is off.
Also when you appear in the pit , engine off

Yeah I agree, when you start in the pits, the engine should be off. We need a nice starter-motor sound too.