Yeh We Have got a place now.. But just cant take People say i hope u fail??

Is that Jealousy?

Because Let me watch u try And drive a car at 14

40? Try 25-30...

Within an hour of driving a car on normal roads changing gear etc all become natural anyway.

EDIT - I tried to drive a car on Christmas Day when I was 14 (or I may of been 15, can't remember) on Eye Airfield - Dad's ex-company car, a beater TDi Golf. Emergency stops with my grandparents in the back. Good times!

Driving a car isn't hard, you just need to practice 'till you it becomes instinctive (which won't take long).

Quote from Jordan2007 :

Yeh We Have got a place now.. But just cant take People say i hope u fail??

Is that Jealousy?

Because Let me watch u try And drive a car at 14

I've been doing racing for coming up 5 years now, started when i was 12. So therefore, i could drive a car at 12. I PWNED YOU.

No, but seriously, dont think your special because you can drive a car at 14. And just because you can move the car does'nt mean your a good driver, you need to be able to know what to do when a dangerous situation arise's, you need to keep the car in good control and much more.

The reason people are saying "i hope you fail" is probably down to hatred of your attitude, not jealousy.

Quote from Jakg :

40? Try 25-30...

Within an hour of driving a car on normal roads changing gear etc all become natural anyway.

EDIT - I tried to drive a car on Christmas Day when I was 14 (or I may of been 15, can't remember) on Eye Airfield - Dad's ex-company car, a beater TDi Golf. Emergency stops with my grandparents in the back. Good times!

Driving a car isn't hard, you just need to practice 'till you it becomes instinctive (which won't take long).

Yea, I agree

Don't be braking to sharply, or your grandparents may relieve themselfs


Driving is just really pressing on pedals and a rotating big round thing. I agree, it's not hard.

Makes me hark back to that day, in June 2001 when I first drove my Dads old Renault 11. Yes, that was the one that had the comedy looks (Was a rubbish car, being honest lol) I was like 9. Back then, needed to sit on my coat to see over the dashboard xD

Ok going racing, Gunna practise my downshifting into turn 1!!

(Also I agree with Nathan )

Driving safely and being aware of your surroundings is much more harder than hitting every apex, and a skill with is much more imporant

If you just mean downshifting (which I'd imagine is all you'd need to know) then all you need to do is:

Check your RPM (i.e. will you redline when you go down into the next gear?),
Clutch in,
Hand off the wheel to the gearstick,
Change gear,
Hand back up to the wheel,
Release the clutch to the biting point, then slowly let out the rest.

in a racing situation you'd probably get away moving your hand to the gearstick as you dipped the clutch, and releasing the clutch sharply while you bring your hand back to the wheel.

Jordan... learning in LFS won't help. If anything, my real driving experiences have helped my LFS (I used to never be able to use H-Shifter, now I can pick it up any day and use it.)

I bet if I had the chance to drive since I was 14, I'd be as good as I am now after 6 months of driving. It's all about practice and having things become instinctive. When taking off from a stop for the first.. 250 (for example), you'll actively haffto think about what you're doing. Hills are an extention of the same and take more finesse than flat ground starts. Even after 6 months of driving (for myself), I still have days where my brain just...can't find my left foot and I stall.

Even my mother, who's driven a standard for her whole driving career (roughly about 25 years or so), she still has the occasional (about once every 2 school years -- 18~ months) stall starting up the hill near my house.

It's about practice, and your success is directly proportional to the amount of time you put into it (along with a bit of skill, if you're a total ****ing moron, you'll never learn.). Then again, my first driving experience ever was driving about.. 5 KM (at about... 10 KM/h over speed limit.. as usual.) or so home from the mall in a standard. Pick-up and play.

Yeah we envy you because you can't downshift.

Peoples these days...

It is just Mostly The RPM,Changing gear and heel n toe... But my car i race with Now is a bastard to put in gear so it might be just that.. road cars seem a lot Smoother

Old school mini's have never had great gearboxe's. I've always got my dad to make me custom ones whenever changing engines, and now i got the 2.0 turbo in it, he made me a semi-short ratio 6-speed, and i love it.

U Cant explain How hard my Clutch is in my mini!

I dont know how people do Quick Gear change.. It takes me about 6 seconds to press down but i have tried pulling away and the biting point is a bit high

Nathan make me a custom one

Quote from Jordan2007 :

U Cant explain How hard my Clutch is in my mini!

I dont know how people do Quick Gear change.. It takes me about 6 seconds to press down but i have tried pulling away and the biting point is a bit high

Nathan make me a custom one

Eh?
I belive Lada's gearbox isn't any better (as old technically, just worser materials) and even that pile of metal crap I can do semi-fast shifts, but 6 seconds?

... Last night... I was doing <1 second shifts in a road car... (2000~ Nissan Sentra). Shifting shouldn't be that difficult, and I bet even in your shitty mini I (or anyone else) could do better.

Quote from Jordan2007 :

Yeh We Have got a place now.. But just cant take People say i hope u fail??

Is that Jealousy?

Because Let me watch u try And drive a car at 14

I can Actually, 13.

If your car is really hard to put into gear, and takes SIX seconds (!!!) then it must be a problem with the car, surely. Get someone in the know to give the car a drive. It could either be a simple problem like a clutch cable, and if its hard to put in gear yet drives without slipping, then it could be a knackered pressure plate.

i first drove a car when i was 13 after about 30 mins or even less it felt like i had been driving for ages because its so easy. im 15 now but my antie still lets me drive her car in shop car parks at night when there empty never had no bother (better not jinx myself). But shouldnt you know how to downshift if youve been driving before?

I learned to drive in a Mini, about 4 years ago. My Dad had a Cooper at the time, but it was in fair shite condition. He bought another Mini as a doner, and got various bits and bobs off it, like the walnut dash, the chrome grill, etc. I then got the car when he was finished, but it was absolutely dead. So, with what little bit of knowledge I had, I set about fixing it (keep in mind I was 12!). I started with the compulsory weight saving measures, removed all the seats except the drivers one, the carpets, roof lining, etc. To my astonishment, it still wouldn't go...

Then my Dad finally helped, and it turned out all of the plugs were gone bad. So I then got a working Mini to cruise around the garden in Good times :rolleyes: It actually belonged to yer one out of the Cranberries, apparently.

Back on topic a bit, it took me a few hours to be able to take off without spinning the wheels or redlining, to change gear smoothly, and to use the brake properly. After that, I had no problems driving it at all. Until I left it idle for a week, came back to drive, and found it just wouldn't start. So my Dad scrapped it

Anyway, you shouldn't apply for a driving test if you can't drive. Simple as that. As for down shifting, find somewhere to practice. If you have a back garden (preferably one that's got a decent patch of grass!), go out and practice going from 3rd to 2nd. If you don't, then chances are you live on some sort of a housing estate or similar. In which case, practice driving up and down the road in front of your house (which is private property, and there are no rules explicitly forbidding you from driving there).

lfs taught me how to drive when i was 12 :/ and first time i got into a manual pickup truck i drove it flawlessly. i was 13

Im sorry, but you have no place on a track right now. You are basically rushing to meet the Sept test date and you don't even know some of the most basic of driving maneuvers. You are a hazard. Thinking that a game is going to help you is not correct. LFS, as good as it is, doesnt simulate G forces, doesn't allow you to truely feel the car and its limits and there is the element of fear -- which is completely thrown out the window when playing a game.

Stop saying you can't find some piece of tarmac to go practice on, because you can if you really want to.

Again, based on everything that I've read in this thread... you are nowhere near ready to be on a track... and honestly, if an instructor does let you (*shudders*) is a complete tool and shouldn't be teaching

It really all just comes down to this... you are not mature enough to be driving a race car. End of story.
Park that Mini and come back to it when your older.

You will not be expected to heel and toe for your ARDS test, in fact if you're too young to have a driving license then all that is expected is basic car control, make sure you can do a start relatively smoothly and change gear proficiently and I'm sure you won't have an issue. There is no need to heel and toe in most front wheel drive road cars and by trying to do so you'll only increase the chance of messing up (I heel and toe on the road but not on track days), which is exactly what you must not do. You'll also find you won't be changing gear very much if you choose a 5 speed car with typical long road gearing, avoid something with more power and more (and closer) gears if you have a choice.

Quote from teedot :

Im sorry, but you have no place on a track right now. You are basically rushing to meet the Sept test date and you don't even know some of the most basic of driving maneuvers. You are a hazard. Thinking that a game is going to help you is not correct. LFS, as good as it is, doesnt simulate G forces, doesn't allow you to truely feel the car and its limits and there is the element of fear -- which is completely thrown out the window when playing a game.

Stop saying you can't find some piece of tarmac to go practice on, because you can if you really want to.

Again, based on everything that I've read in this thread... you are nowhere near ready to be on a track... and honestly, if an instructor does let you (*shudders*) is a complete tool and shouldn't be teaching

It really all just comes down to this... you are not mature enough to be driving a race car. End of story.
Park that Mini and come back to it when your older.

Lol mate.. Lol! lol!!!!!!

matureness isnt the answer to racing...
Iv had 14 years of racing experience and u think im not mature..

Right il give a bet Anyone Who reckons i wont pass

i bet u by the 2nd year of racing i will be winning the championship

Il keep that bet with anyone!

my dads concentrated 2 hard to get a racing team and if he and the team think im ready for it?
that means im ready for it.
so dont say that im not mature mate..

2 b honest aswell the kids who go into saxmax.. some of them do not have a lot of experience, and some i know i am more experienced i have picked up techniques which they have not used

Your 14 years and 11 months.

I doubt you were racing when you 11 months somehow.

BTW - You DO need maturity. You are driving a 1 ton lump of metal FAST.

Frankly from the posts you have made you do not seem mature at all (and the cheap Canadian shot really doesn't help there).

What does canadian have to do with anything?

I'm sorry but if you can't downshift how do you expect to race. Whoever it is who thinks you ready for this clearly doesnt know that you cant even downshift yet or else they'd make you practice it befor the test.

I still can't see what being canadian has to do with anything though.

u cant test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

u need ur license before u can test!!!!!!!!!!!!! get it into ur think head!!!


apparently "down shifting is a piece of piss" said by my dad..


JAKG if u think i cant get anywhere out of it..

if i do pass my test.. i will just laugh in ur face!


where did the 11 months come from?

racing experience isnt from just racing... maybe by watching other people.. i was watching my dad until i was 7 in his car

Quote from ajp71 :

You will not be expected to heel and toe for your ARDS test, in fact if you're too young to have a driving license then all that is expected is basic car control, make sure you can do a start relatively smoothly and change gear proficiently and I'm sure you won't have an issue. There is no need to heel and toe in most front wheel drive road cars and by trying to do so you'll only increase the chance of messing up (I heel and toe on the road but not on track days), which is exactly what you must not do. You'll also find you won't be changing gear very much if you choose a 5 speed car with typical long road gearing, avoid something with more power and more (and closer) gears if you have a choice.

thank u Atleast someone knows what its like!

Quote from Jordan2007 :

where did the 11 months come from?

racing experience isnt from just racing... maybe by watching other people.. i was watching my dad until i was 7 in his car

You are 14 years and 11 months old. You said you had 14 years of racing experience....

If you honestly think that watching racing gives you experience (or at least enough to make a noticeable difference) then you probably should of learnt how to downshift by now.