I think they will finish all the model a lot before physics. And I think that they'll wait to release the cmx untill the car is near to be completed.

But, who knows when the car will be near to finish hehe

Quote from LaimisD1 :

but then how they can use it in the show?

It doesn't mean the model is 100% done.

yes it cost money to make this game so demoers, you wouldn't want to give years worth of work out for free

Quote from chavm481 :

yes it cost money to make this game so demoers, you wouldn't want to give years worth of work out for free

I thought this point was proved before.

Quote from Whiskey :

I think that they'll wait to release the cmx untill the car is near to be completed

They release the viewer a couple of days before a patch is released for the skinners.

Quote from LaimisD1 :

but then how they can use it in the show?

the exiertot might not be finished so they are proble only finished with the physics. and mabey part of the interior

Quote from chavm481 :

the exiertot might not be finished so they are proble only finished with the physics. and mabey part of the interior

It's finished enough to show a screen of it.. Don't talk bullsh*t

Quote from chavm481 :

the exiertot might not be finished so they are proble only finished with the physics. and mabey part of the interior

I would think the physics would be much more of a detailed task then the modeling of the car.

The cars size and dimension's are an absolute number that I'm sure the manufacture supplied to the devs. I would think there is a good probability that a 3D model of the car was given to the devs by the manufacture for importing into a usable format for DX8. Though I'm sure tweaking would be involved at that point too. I could be wrong, but this would seem like the best option.

The physical characteristics of the would have to be supplied as well. These being nubmers too. Maybe even forumulas?? I'm not sure. To make these physics work as best as possible in the "LFS World" of virtual driving they would need to be tested and tested and tested over and over.... Even though the physics in LFS replicate real world physics, input must be applied and adjusted to coordinate with the LFS engine.

Though I know nothing about the hands on development of a engine to replicate a physical environment. I know enough that you just can't plug in real world data into it and generate high complexity objects (like a car) with out lots and lots trail and error. If it was that easy simulators like RFactor would have websites you could put data in and generate different cars on the fly. Though that would be really freakin' cool if you could.

Jay

Quote from chavm481 :

the exiertot might not be finished so they are proble only finished with the physics. and mabey part of the interior

If you have no facts, you make baseless opinions and show them as facts and if you are posting simply to make your post count go up then please, stop.

I have a skin request! 24h of Nürburgring-Nordschleife Team VW Scirocco

well... hmmm... new cars are always great... and well... ehhmmmmm... yeah... reallife cares are also great.... but did it have to be the Scirocco??? There are much more beautiful cars out there in the world Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to be able to drive a VW in LFS soon, but... well... I don't like the Scirocco... hmm...

My take is: Since there is a fully usable Scirocco in the GC version already, it can't be that long... I know it might need polishing, but that wouldn't take months, now would it?

So my guess is this: Either Scawen doesn't want to make a patch just for the Scirocco (and - seeing the steering wheel turns 900° - new animations as well) or the deal isn't sealed completely yet (be it details of the usage of the Scirocco or - interpreting into Scawen's vague post - there is more to come).

About the Scirocco itself: it isn't in my theoretical 10-car garage, but bring it on!
The only downside I see with this deal: No other manufacturer will get his car into LfS anymore, if it isn't in a league of its own... They simply won't run the risk of being displayed as inferior to a competitor product...

Quote from bbman :

The only downside I see with this deal: No other manufacturer will get his car into LfS anymore, if it isn't in a league of its own... They simply won't run the risk of being displayed as inferior to a competitor product...

That is the excuse Gran Turismo used to make for not having any Ferrari's, and also for not having car damage. Then Forza came along with slow Ferrari's that you could totally destroy and kind of ruined that excuse for them.

Quote from jbirdaspec :

Though I know nothing about the hands on development of a engine to replicate a physical environment. I know enough that you just can't plug in real world data into it and generate high complexity objects (like a car) with out lots and lots trail and error.

In the case of LFS I think it's almost that easy. The LFS physics engine is very general, since all cars use the same underlying physics engine. They probably just feed in the mounting points for the suspension, track width, wheel base, power train etc. and off it goes. If you've ever played with Tweak you have seen some of these settings there.

rFactor is different in this respect since many more of the actual physics properties are bundled with the cars themselves (tyre curves and all that wizardry). It also has a lot of bugs that makes it react weirdly if you input realistic data to it. This makes rFactor more customisable of course, but it also means only a select few can manage to create a car that isn't complete rubbish.

Quote from wien :

In the case of LFS I think it's almost that easy. The LFS physics engine is very general, since all cars use the same underlying physics engine. They probably just feed in the mounting points for the suspension, track width, wheel base, power train etc. and off it goes. If you've ever played with Tweak you have seen some of these settings there.

rFactor is different in this respect since many more of the actual physics properties are bundled with the cars themselves (tyre curves and all that wizardry). It also has a lot of bugs that makes it react weirdly if you input realistic data to it. This makes rFactor more customisable of course, but it also means only a select few can manage to create a car that isn't complete rubbish.

I would like to know exactly how it is done. Though I doubt it is all plug and go. But if it is doable LFS team would be the ones to make it happen. Maybe when S3 is Final we could have a SDK with customizable physics.

From a technical standpoint there's absolutely no reason why it can't work like that, and as I said, looking at Tweak that seems to be the case. When you enumerate all the different settings, it's still a lot to get right of course, but if they have real data available that should be easily doable. Tweaking any underlying physics algorithms should not be required unless some flaw is discovered while creating the new car.

This is of course a bit of guesswork on my part, but based on what information is out there, I think it's accurate. Only the devs know for sure.

Quote from bbman :

My take is: Since there is a fully usable Scirocco in the GC version already, it can't be that long... I know it might need polishing, but that wouldn't take months, now would it?

So my guess is this: Either Scawen doesn't want to make a patch just for the Scirocco (and - seeing the steering wheel turns 900° - new animations as well) or the deal isn't sealed completely yet (be it details of the usage of the Scirocco or - interpreting into Scawen's vague post - there is more to come).

About the Scirocco itself: it isn't in my theoretical 10-car garage, but bring it on!
The only downside I see with this deal: No other manufacturer will get his car into LfS anymore, if it isn't in a league of its own... They simply won't run the risk of being displayed as inferior to a competitor product...

Most of people who buy a road car don't buy it for its racing performance

Fuel saving, comfort, security, design, etc..

... i just woke up today... ug... im not just making my post count go up! what if i get an s2, then will i get more respect?!? how about i get an s2 then comeback?

Edit: opps double post

Quote from chavm481 :

... i just woke up today... ug... im not just making my post count go up! what if i get an s2, then will i get more respect?!? how about i get an s2 then comeback?

don't you already have s2???

if you are talking about on the S2 servers compared to the Demo servers then yes, you will definatly get more respect

Quote :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5KAku9cwM
(VW Scirocco car on Live For Speed - Video)

Well... I didn't see the front bumper come off, so the new damage hasn't been implamented yet...

Quote from Furiously-Fast :

fix't.

I have a mouse btw ...

Or maybe part of the deal is that it can't be released to the public until after the Scirocco competition closes, or the results are announced, or something like that.

We just don't know. It could be anything...

Quote from TFalke55 :

well... hmmm... new cars are always great... and well... ehhmmmmm... yeah... reallife cares are also great.... but did it have to be the Scirocco??? There are much more beautiful cars out there in the world Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to be able to drive a VW in LFS soon, but... well... I don't like the Scirocco... hmm...

Does it looke like Scawen is a bigshot who can walk into VAG headquarters and say "gimme Veyron"?

Quote from chavm481 :

... i just woke up today... ug... im not just making my post count go up! what if i get an s2, then will i get more respect?!? how about i get an s2 then comeback?

No. Useless posts are still useless posts no matter what it says under your username..

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

That is the excuse Gran Turismo used to make for not having any Ferrari's, and also for not having car damage. Then Forza came along with slow Ferrari's that you could totally destroy and kind of ruined that excuse for them.

Yeah, but Polyphony wasn't approached by the other manufacturers, now were they? Plus, the little time I played GT, there wasn't really any handling happening, just generic causes to my input, so no real worries there...

Quote from deggis :

Does it looke like Scawen is a bigshot who can walk into VAG headquarters and say "gimme Veyron"?

no no sry I'm happy with a new car, and if you ask me to have a real car is great... no problem and I don't like the Veyron either by the way... but well hmm it's okey to me, and we can be happy with having it, but I just dislike this car... for the same reason you can like a girl on the first look, I dislike this car... hmm I will drive it also.... but... hmm generally, It's not my taste...

I'd rather love being able to race my Smart in LFS if I would be able to make any decisions