Ok, Hollywood's systematic destruction of childhood favourites continue's.

We had Transformers, the 3 Star Wars movies, Indy Jones, Herbie, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Die Hard 4.0 heck to many to mention.....all of which were rubbish. (only saving grace was that none of them had Jason Statham, but thats another topic).

I fear for this one, even if they get Bill Murry invovled.

When will it end, or do I have to go on a crusade/jihad to stop Holywood ruining my childhood films

As long as they NEVER attempt a remake of Casablanca (or Blade Runner ) then Hollywood is safe.
IF they ever dare to do that, I might just have to borrow a tactical nuke :hbomb:from Lakenheath and post it to the producers

Don't forget goonies 2 is the horizon too. Not sure how they're going to make a children's adventure film when all the actors are in their 30s.

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Don't forget goonies 2 is the horizon too. Not sure how they're going to make a children's adventure film when all the actors are in their 30s.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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As long as they NEVER attempt a remake of Casablanca (or Blade Runner ) then Hollywood is safe.

theres lots of other good movies that are still waiting for a remake too
how about tom cruise driving up the euphrat in a patrol boat to stop a group of us marines who are all atheists

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Don't forget goonies 2 is the horizon too. Not sure how they're going to make a children's adventure film when all the actors are in their 30s.

Loading the shotgun and Uzis as I type - target Holywood.

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We had Transformers, the 3 Star Wars movies, Indy Jones, Herbie, Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, Die Hard 4.0 heck to many to mention.....all of which were rubbish. (only saving grace was that none of them had Jason Statham, but thats another topic).

you forgot to say IMO....
because star wars 3 was great... transformers too, Indy Jones too, and all that IMO...

Actually, I quite like Tim Burtons "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory". It is truer to the book than the old one and I generally like Tim Burton Movies with their very unique melancholy and uncannyness.

Other than that, I fully agrre with mackie. Sadly, same counts for video games too (deus ex, thief, ghost recon, rainbow six, the elder scrolls,... the list of games with sucky sequels is endless!)

And no, chano, you are wrong It's scientifically proven fact that all three feature length toy commercials called "Star Wars", Indy and especially Transformers are bad movies.

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And no, chano, you are wrong It's scientifically proven fact that all three feature length toy commercials called "Star Wars", Indy and especially Transformers are bad movies.

not for me...

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Actually, I quite like Tim Burtons "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory". It is truer to the book than the old one and I generally like Tim Burton Movies with their very unique melancholy and uncannyness.

Suppose this may be an age thing. I grew up with Gene Wilder, a true comic genius and certainly has the upper hand of the likes of Will Farell, the other guy that seems to be in all Farells movies the one with the mustache and Ben Stiller, and I genuinely laugh at most of his movies. His work with Mel Brooks borders on the sublime.

The point of Star Wars and Indy is mainly down to the fact the man who writes the script has the linguistic creativity of a chimp, and who believes a plot is a summary of the film in 30 words. That's the reason they were rubbish, Lucas.

I know I may have steeped over the line for any Star Wars devotees but the only good thing to come out of Star Wars was the Star Wars lego games for the Xbox and princess Leia in the bikini

oh and :jedi:

I think it has to do with the lack of talent and interest in the scrip writing industry so most of them are horrible or awful remakes, I mean if you take an ordinary man, lubrificate a broom, shove it up he's arse, put him on a trambuline in an elevator and he will "scratch" better scripts on the sides of the elevator. It get's even worser, they will do movies about Knight Rider and G.I.JOE LOL!.

And I agree, I tought it was just me but this new "comedys' never really make me laugh. Will Ferrell the "comedy king" is as funny as a shovel of manure. I want comedy's like in the '90s back.

it's not just movies though - tv shows know how to recycle too!

Well if you think about it, it happens in movies, tv shows, music, games and fashion. It's as today's world has lost its imagination. My god! The hippies were right all along! TV, masive industrialization, new technologies and the internetz are transforming us slowly but steady into cold, semi-machines with no imagination! That means no more sweet LFS improvements!

Most Hollywood film's are terribly generic and lack class.

It's like they don't want to see anything new. The Dark Night took a nice break away from it (obviously based on the comic book though, not hard writing a script when the foundations already exist), but script was good, action scenes...generic.

I would like to say that films like Sin City and 300 were exceptions, and they were in a film sense, but despite directors getting a lot of praise, read the comic book. Most of the scene's are copies of the illustrations, even the colour and composition. They didn't exactly have a hard job making these films. The script and storyboard was already done, and they did most..or was it all..using green screen.

I love my BBC films, I love my Film4's but I am from the UK so I might be being patriotic. However there is a certain finesse to them. I have seen a couple of British war films for example and they were brutally honest and I like that. Even seen a couple of subtitled Russian ones, again brutally honest, scripts well written (even if translated) and no overdone action scenes Mr Rambo.

The amount of sequels and remakes just give's you an idea they run out of idea's. They'd prefer to make a film that appeals to the masses, which unfortunately looks like the majority wants to see the same type of film, the same type of action, the same cheesy humour and above all no surprises.

TV:
The problem with the TV industry is the structure, it's impossible to be innovative and creative without financial backing, and it's impossible to get financial backing unless your show can fund itself - which is why most TV these days revolves around phone-in's and public votes.

The problem is simply that of saturation, in the UK there are, at peak, just 30000 viewers of all the TV channels outside of the top 4. That's a paltry figure when you consider that there are homegrown web sites which generate more traffic.

As a result TV has become cheap. Minor channels pay paltry amounts of money (less than I make in a day) to show re-runs of old stuff, TV programmes have become so devalued that actors aren't even paid for a re-run show on channel 500...

Because of this it's impossible to get a TV show commissioned in the UK these days, and i'm sure there are similar patterns abroad too. Unless you are the BBC which is a law unto itself, the only way to do it is by self-financing.

Film:
The problem here is not a lack of creativity, but a lack of a desire to be creative. If you're going to invest a 6, 7 or 8 figure sum to create a movie you want to know you are getting a financial return. The way to do that is to follow the tried and tested formula.

Hollywood has become very generic and has been for a long time. It still drops the odd gem (Starship Troopers) but it will always be a business before a creative industry (Starship Troopers 2).

There are a number of standardised plotlines that are re-used over and over, and sticking to them and just changing the aesthetics of the film works, because people keep going to see them.

Bollywood isn't much better either, and I dont understand a word of it.

The big problem with films is that Hollywood has got the "polish" so refined, 99% of Independent Films really do look drab when stood next to them because a 4 figure budget really shows next to one produced by a streamlined and efficient movie making machine.

General:
Televisual media has already lost to the internet generation, the industry has to change to cope with it's new, smaller, market share, and right now the industry is doing everything absolutely wrong to correct the problems it's created for itself.

That's why I read more and more books every year, f**k television

There even doing a remake of 90210 ffs.

Tv is so bad nowadays that I barely watch telly at all. I even sold my tv and now have this 30 years old box here instead. And tbh. the only kind of stuff I'd watch on tv is probably documents and and some good qulity humour shows, which are easier to find through p2p or youtube alikes (like motorsports onboard videos :nod. As for movies, it has always been that way. The sequels in general are much worse than the original ones, although there are few exceptions. Both the first terminators were good, Rambos and Rockys were good but then the downhill started for them. Terminator 3, for eaxmple, was just a collection of the best one-liners from the 2nd one.

But remake of the Beverly hills 90210 can't be any worse than the original. Iirc I liked more about the intro than the actual shows

And in finnish television there is one thing that never changes. The bold and the beautiful.