No, the simple application of physics is all that is needed here.
If he had not cut the corner then he and Kimi would have been out of the race. Kimi forced Hamilton off the track. Did you not see? Did you not re-watch the video?.. hello??
No, the simple application of physics is all that is needed here.
If he had not cut the corner then he and Kimi would have been out of the race. Kimi forced Hamilton off the track. Did you not see? Did you not re-watch the video?.. hello??
Where the hell did the 25 sec penalty come from ? in the context of a strange amount of time for a penalty in effect the stewards could have placed him anywhere in the results order 
Why not a 10 grid slot penalty at the next race as used previously, there seems to be no consistency in the decisions this year.
Looks more and more like the FIA are manufacturing a close championship in respect of Business needs
Thanks Sam - 16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.
Why not a 10 grid slot penalty at the next race as used previously, there seems to be no consistency in the decisions this year.
Looks more and more like the FIA are manufacturing a close championship in respect of Business needs
Thanks Sam - 16.3 The stewards may impose any one of three penalties on any driver involved in an Incident :
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping ;
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
c) a drop of ten grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
However, should either of the penalties under a) and b) above be imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 25 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned.
Schumacher did not drive for Ferrari until 1996.
Indeed. The no action decision there was because Hill + Williams, very sportingly, did not launch a protest as being the sporting old toffs they are they decided a championship won in a stewards room wasnt worth winning, Hill took his title on the track later, but he certainly did deserve that one. Stewarding was rarely pro-active then and relied on a complaint.
Benetton breached regulations 14 times that season to my count at the time (I can no longer list them), and where only penalised for a handful that related to safety (the pit fire etc). Mostly because Ferrari where not competitive enough to care.
Regarding the Lewis+Kimi incident i've given my opinion in the other thread. I don't know why a second thread was made tbh. It's the same incident, so i'll say nowt.
Benetton breached regulations 14 times that season to my count at the time (I can no longer list them), and where only penalised for a handful that related to safety (the pit fire etc). Mostly because Ferrari where not competitive enough to care.
Regarding the Lewis+Kimi incident i've given my opinion in the other thread. I don't know why a second thread was made tbh. It's the same incident, so i'll say nowt.
I see your Lewis blinkers are well and truly fixed on so I won't waste time carrying this on - I'm not a Ferrari fan BTW.
Kimi was ahead when Lewis left the track. If they had touched at that point then just like Heikki before him Hamilton would have been penalised for causing avoidable contact. His only opportunity to avoid a penalty would be to slow down as by being anywhere near Kimi and overtaking him he is taking advantage of cutting the track.
I will check back after my GPL race for your quotes from the Sporting Regulations about corner cutting. Don't forget now.
Yes he would have been... They were side by side and he probably would have gotten the inside meaning they would still be pretty damn close.
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2009
The year mabe wrong but the incident is the one I posted about earlier when Schuey took out Hill to win the Championship one of the worst cases of it's kind.
Yup, he was in a Benetton when he did that.
And yes, it was totally wrong. But Hill wasn't driving for Ferrari either so the results just got left as they where.
And yes, it was totally wrong. But Hill wasn't driving for Ferrari either so the results just got left as they where.
Storm Cloud what is a slip road there for it's not to be used to avoid an accident, it's not as if he cut on purpose as he was forced to cut as Kimi had forced himself into the apex leaving Hamilton no option but to take to the slip road.
You wish I was a Hamilton fan, so you could blow off this offensive demonstration of FIA bias, but you're out of luck. I'm a sport fan, not a driver or team fan. Although I'm struggling right now, frankly, because I'm reeling in disgust yet again.
Meh I'm not straddling two threads on one topic. I'm going back to the original thread.
If you speak to most people who complain about the FIA being biased, and ask them to name a driver they are a fan of, they seem to say the same thing, they are a fan of the sport, not one individual or team. That's why they get angry when rules are inconsistent and seem to apply to some teams/drivers and not others.
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You're not going to wait a car that is outside the track (in this cas Hamilton), it's like waiting a car without nose and going extremely slow whe you know he's way out of pace
Hamilton had to go off the track because Kimi came blasting through taking up the room Hamilton had to get back on the track. You can see it clear as day in this video at 1:40...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4TZww5f6ko
...waved yellow flags mean he should slow down and prepare to stop. That's just an example of the incosistency in that race, the FIA should employ a team of unbiased stewards that go to every race to ensure the rules are always applied consistently. But they would rather have someone with business links to Ferrari and some random guys they find hanging around the track eating out of garbage cans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4TZww5f6ko
...waved yellow flags mean he should slow down and prepare to stop. That's just an example of the incosistency in that race, the FIA should employ a team of unbiased stewards that go to every race to ensure the rules are always applied consistently. But they would rather have someone with business links to Ferrari and some random guys they find hanging around the track eating out of garbage cans.
Same with Hamilton's fight with Massa in Germany, remember? Massa had to go OFF track so King Hamilton could pass without problem.
Exactly, and he should have been given a punishment for that, stop assuming we are Hamilton fans just because we say the FIA are F***ing Inconsistent Apes.
you are brit, hamilton is brit...
Hitler was German, Schumacher is German, doesn't mean Schmacher is a Nazi does it? (although if you listened to some of the "fans" at past British GP's you might think so)
the only people i see arguing in this forum about his penalty if it was fair or not are british people, let's say 95% Brit's and 5% other
Nope, but unfortunately, in F1 people seems to support their country instead of his favourite driver according to his driving style, and that´s sad IMO
I'm not a brit yet I still agree with Quicksilver...
I´m not brit, but it´s that they just yell cause their penalized their very own superbaby.
I don´t yell, cause i watch F1 since 94 and got used to FIA decisions supporting ferraris os schumachers. I could mention a lot of situations this season, when i really expected a penalty, and nothing came...(Most recent Massa/Sutil pit out)
Heikkis penalty was fair and OK, but this one is just ... meh.
I really hate Hamilton for his arrogant style (i hope it rains so that he may make mistakes -> it rained, Kimi spun: "Yes, thats what i was talking about guys, yeah" on team radio)
And i don´t like McLaren how they treat some of their drivers (Alonso, Heidfeld(GP2 - just not british like Hamilton, so he can hook up with Jordan or Prost, we don´t care...)), but this is just a bad joke...
Even a blid can see that
I don´t yell, cause i watch F1 since 94 and got used to FIA decisions supporting ferraris os schumachers. I could mention a lot of situations this season, when i really expected a penalty, and nothing came...(Most recent Massa/Sutil pit out)
Heikkis penalty was fair and OK, but this one is just ... meh.
I really hate Hamilton for his arrogant style (i hope it rains so that he may make mistakes -> it rained, Kimi spun: "Yes, thats what i was talking about guys, yeah" on team radio)
And i don´t like McLaren how they treat some of their drivers (Alonso, Heidfeld(GP2 - just not british like Hamilton, so he can hook up with Jordan or Prost, we don´t care...)), but this is just a bad joke...
Even a blid can see that
Bull....I support my national football team despite the fact that Scotland's playing style is crap, if I went for style I would be dressed in orange supporting the Dutch smoking something half illegal depending upon the amount I would have in the back pocket.
I felt the penalty was harsh, but I'm no Hamilton fanboy (in fact the total opposite) but I don't think the FIA have gone for the pro-Ferrari choice. I think it's something more sinister than that, and ultimately something which will destroy the sport, they did it for the viewing figures.
The FIA are simply incompetent, if we wanted we could look at every single decision made, and find pro/anti decision's Mclaren and pro/ant Ferrari decision's etc etc. The conspiracy theories are easier to believe because thats what the internet is built on.
Well the number of British posters in this thread is a direct result of what happened to Hamilton, but had it been any other driver the reaction would be the same. In this country we like people who try their best, fight hard and never give up, we also like consistency (hence why we bitch about our weather so much) and we like good sportsmanship and humilty.
Everyone is proud when their fellow countrymen achieve something, but you can't blindly support someone based on what anthem is played when they win a race. The more I see of Hamilton in interviews the more he comes across as an arrogant, socially awkward, geeky virgin. You should have seen the smile on my face when on lap 1 a red blur sailed past him on the outside, Hamilton having previously said in an interview "I'm never going to let someone pass me on the outside again".
Also, they don't call Great Britain the home of motorsport for no reason either, motorsport is our true national sport, not football, so you will see a lot of British motorsport fans on any english speaking forum with sections like "General Racing Talk".
Everyone is proud when their fellow countrymen achieve something, but you can't blindly support someone based on what anthem is played when they win a race. The more I see of Hamilton in interviews the more he comes across as an arrogant, socially awkward, geeky virgin. You should have seen the smile on my face when on lap 1 a red blur sailed past him on the outside, Hamilton having previously said in an interview "I'm never going to let someone pass me on the outside again".
Also, they don't call Great Britain the home of motorsport for no reason either, motorsport is our true national sport, not football, so you will see a lot of British motorsport fans on any english speaking forum with sections like "General Racing Talk".
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