Someone told me today that a games website they read sent the LHC people a crowbar and a copy of the Half Life 1 strategy guide.

Dammit, guess i'll have to go pay my bills now....Bloody scientists.

Apparently it's gonna take a while to get this thing up to full speed. So if it is gonna create a huge all consuming end of the universe stylie black hole, it seems like Switzerland's got about another 4yrs before it suddenly vanishes from the face of the earth. And at least another 8yrs before anyone notices.
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Quote from Mazz4200 :

And at least another 8yrs before anyone notices.

But seriously, how do they know how "bing-bang" happened, how could anyone know, are they just guessing?

It's based upon several assumptions, and lots of science stuff that's been invented to justify those assumptions. Part of the LHC project is to test some of those theories out.

Quote from Bean0 :

Breaking News !!!

Holy cow! That explains everything.

On topic, I was walking to the bank and felt the earth move beneath my feet. Sure enough I was being sucked into a black hole. The moment of death approached, as I stood there motionless. Until I realised that I was just imagining things.....

well, i'm still properly s**ting myself about the whole thing! :vomit:

Quote from Gavin UK :

well, i'm still properly s**ting myself about the whole thing! :vomit:

Really, if Big-bang actually happened with these particles coliding at light speed, and they are trying to replicate that, then how can they control the consequences, that's some serious power if that's what their trying to replicate..

It's all a matter of scale, Boris.

While the energy involved in the real big bang was presumably the whole amount of energy available in this universe, this time, it's about the energy of two mosquitos colliding mid-flight.

There is really nothing to be afraid of, as the very same thing happens thousands of times a day, where sub-atomic particles from outer space going very close to the speed of light collide with particles in our stratosphere. The only difference is that with the LHC, we're actually able to witness what's happening in such a case, which might give is a deeper grasp of how the universe works.

So to be scared of it doesn't make any sense. In some way, this fear of the LHC reminds me of the fear of witchcraft in the middle-ages. I thought with the Enlightenment (in a non-lerts kind of way) we came over being afraid of the unknown.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

Someone told me today that a games website they read sent the LHC people a crowbar and a copy of the Half Life 1 strategy guide.

Haha, they should give that stuff to Gordon Freeman lookalike at the facility.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

It's all a matter of scale, Boris.

While the energy involved in the real big bang was presumably the whole amount of energy available in this universe, this time, it's about the energy of two mosquitos colliding mid-flight.

There is really nothing to be afraid of, as the very same thing happens thousands of times a day, where sub-atomic particles from outer space going very close to the speed of light collide with particles in our stratosphere. The only difference is that with the LHC, we're actually able to witness what's happening in suhc a case, which might give is a deeper grasp of how the universe works.

Offcourse, the scales are not comparable, but still... their playing with the devil, we don't have to know EVERYTHING, human race, the biggest enemy of the earth...

Actually, I don't believe in the devil... also, why don't we have to know everything? Any kind of knowledge (as long as it doesn't deliberately harm people or other living things) can only be to our benefit.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

we don't have to know EVERYTHING, human race, the biggest enemy of the earth...

Of course we do, or are you happy to take things on blind faith?.

This is what makes the human race what it is today, if people didn't have the moxy to push the envelope, we'd all still be sitting in caves.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

also, why don't we have to know everything?

Why do we? Animals are doing just fine.. The whole cloning thing, this... really, enough is enough..

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Animals are doing just fine..

I wouldn't call living in holes and being eaten all the time 'fine'.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

I wouldn't call living in holes and being eaten all the time 'fine'.

But there has to be boundaries... Were people living bad before the internet and mobile phones? weren't the best cars, music and movies created before all that?

Define 'best'

And yes, I do think I have a better quality of life than I would had been if I were at this age, in this situation any time in the past.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Offcourse, the scales are not comparable, but still... their playing with the devil, we don't have to know EVERYTHING, human race, the biggest enemy of the earth...

that's pretty far from it no?

Quote from Boris Lozac :

But there has to be boundaries... Were people living bad before the internet and mobile phones? weren't the best cars, music and movies created before all that?

if you ask me, I am sure I want to live at this moment.

and even if you bring back the 60's, people will still try to progress.

The meaning of a human's life is to change the world with intelligent concept and ideas, its just natural to human nature, something we do is wrong, but I don't see how understanding the nature of the universe in a strictly controlled environment is considered irresponsible. I am sure the scientist knows what they are doing.

Damnit, I got caught walking out of the Sony Centre with a 70" Bravia. I tried to tell the security guard the end was neigh, but he wouldn't listen and took the TV back. Looting fail

Quote from Crashgate3 :

Define 'best'

To define best, well, best music, IMO, is from the 80's and early 90's, i think everyone can agree with that, best movies (T2, still the best action movie, do i have to put "IMO" on this one), life was less stressfull before mobile phones, etc, etc... all i know is that i was a much hapier person before all this new stuff, i don't think anyone realises the effects of internet and mobile phones, people just see the "good stuff"... but all this is for a different thread..

Quote from Boris Lozac :

IMO

That's not a definition.


My life isn't stressful, and any stress it does have certainly isn't the result of mobile phones and they internet. If yours is, then that's your fault.

The technology and the knowledge I have and have available to me DOES however make my life fuller, *less* stressful and more fun.

Knowing that if my crops failed, over going even further back, that if I couldn't bring back a kill, or forage enough food for the day, or that I might get eaten by a bear, wolf, tiger, or the winter would be too cold and I'd freeze etc would *definitely* make me stressed.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

To define best, well, best music, IMO, is from the 80's and early 90's, i think everyone can agree with that, best movies (T2, still the best action movie, do i have to put "IMO" on this one), life was less stressfull before mobile phones, etc, etc... all i know is that i was a much hapier person before all this new stuff, i don't think anyone realises the effects of internet and mobile phones, people just see the "good stuff"... but all this is for a different thread..

80's and early 90's being the best.....well so far I agree, but I think your view may change when you look back in 2030, opinion and taste is constantly changing.

tools are just tools, it's up to how people use them, with every invention comes an adjustment period of people to truely understand the value of it, and whether it has a true meaning to our lives. human and his technology is a constant chemical reaction, human creates objects, objects affect how we live, and lead to another invention, and in the same time some people will always try to preserve the past, so we have always have choices in life.

without innovation there would be no musical instruments, no electric guitars and no teenagers, no mobility, no cars, yup live was much less stressful when there was no light, people just go to bed when the sun sets....I dunno what you will make of that.

I recently read a book ("Odyssey" - fiction of course) by Jack McDevitt that had a similar particle collider. In the book though, the scientists were so worried about the giant black hole threat that they built it light years away from Earth.

If anyone's interested...
http://search.barnesandnoble.c ... -McDevitt/e/9780441015405

Quote from JJ72 :

without innovation there would be no musical instruments, no electric guitars and no teenagers, no mobility, no cars, yup live was much less stressful when there was no light, people just go to bed when the sun sets....I dunno what you will make of that.

Ok, i'm not saying we should go back to stone age but humans are one selfish beings, all responsibility for the "dying" of the earth lays on our soul.. We will use all natural resources just to fulfill our selfish needs, my spoiled friends don't even want to walk a kilometer anymore, they want to be driven... And if you think the Interent doesn't have any bad side effectss and that Facebook is a social tool, then i'm done here