I have not seen the replay, only read this thread.

500 points does seem harsh at first, but as your friend was Silver licensed he should have known better.

As your license level increases, the standard of expected behaviour also increases.
I imagine the penalty would have been a bit lower for a Bronze licensed guy, but also a lot higher had the offender been Gold or above licensed.

Edit: Didn't someone get a penalty of 3000 points or similar for a revenge wreck ?

I agree, the penalty is heavy. I suspect that if your friend hadn't spent most of his appeal complaining about the other guy being a wrecker, it would have been a better hearing since he did not ram a wrecker, he rammed another car that then BECAME a wrecker because he was rammed by your friend.

I have re-opened the appeal and add a note. I believe your friend failed to meet the standard we require, and that hasn't changed. I can see an argument for lowering the penalty for a first offence and that will be my recommendation.

Quote from Bean0 :

I have not seen the replay, only read this thread.

500 points does seem harsh at first, but as your friend was Silver licensed he should have known better.

As your license level increases, the standard of expected behaviour also increases.
I imagine the penalty would have been a bit lower for a Bronze licensed guy, but also a lot higher had the offender been Gold or above licensed.

Edit: Didn't someone get a penalty of 3000 points or similar for a revenge wreck ?

but he dont wrecked jarmil. Just a bit push, wich can be a race accident (some cases, when igot other pushes, and reported the driver, i got this answer...) this is why i post here

Quote from Bean0 :

500 points does seem harsh at first, but as your friend was Silver licensed he should have known better.

Yep and yep. Silver licenced first-time offenders probably get a bit of a shock with penalties, but the CTRA as you say applies penalties directly in proportion to the driver's licence level.

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Edit: Didn't someone get a penalty of 3000 points or similar for a revenge wreck ?

That and more. A few Gold licenced drivers have had their points wiped and a permanent ban issued for their behaviour. That's a shock to the admins, too.. to see someone achieve that level and then flip out.

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but he dont wrecked jarmil. Just a bit push, wich can be a race accident (some cases, when igot other pushes, and reported the driver, i got this answer...) this is why i post here

See.. I disagree. He hit jarmil in the side of his car, and it was ONLY good fortune that jarmil was not spun out of the race. No effort was made to avoid spinning him.. your friend did not EVEN lift off the gas. Frankly, it was lousy behaviour from your friend.

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See.. I disagree. He hit jarmil in the side of his car, and it was ONLY good fortune that jarmil was not spun out of the race. No effort was made to avoid spinning him.. your friend did not EVEN lift off the gas. Frankly, it was lousy behaviour from your friend.

what i see, he touched jarmils bumper, then after he try to pass him from right, and jarmil pushed he to the grass... and after some corner jarmil made a big banned problem.

but now he is on homepage to fill appeal(where he can appeal again?). My sound gone away, cause i try to catch him on ventrilo.


and sorry for contacting here, but no other contacts for admins, and he can speak less english than me.

Oh djees, these matters shouldn't even be discussed on this forum IMO. I haven't watched the replay or reviewed the report, but the CTRA admins are fair. Sometimes a penalty is a bit harsher than you would expect, but it's always deserved.

And seriously, do you think anyone cares that your friends are leaving because they got a penalty? We don't. Because if they leave for that reason alone then they're not the kind of drivers people want on CTRA. So instead of crying like a baby about how unfair that they've been treated they should take it like a man and clean up their act. Or, just don't race on CTRA again. But I really can't stand the whining about penalties. If you get penalized on CTRA, you've deserved it.

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Oh djees, these matters shouldn't even be discussed on this forum IMO. I haven't watched the replay or reviewed the report, but the CTRA admins are fair. Sometimes a penalty is a bit harsher than you would expect, but it's always deserved.

And seriously, do you think anyone cares that your friends are leaving because they got a penalty? We don't. Because if they leave for that reason alone then they're not the kind of drivers people want on CTRA. So instead of crying like a baby about how unfair that they've been treated they should take it like a man and clean up their act. Or, just don't race on CTRA again. But I really can't stand the whining about penalties. If you get penalized on CTRA, you've deserved it.

Thank U for your answer.

something just happened, cause appeal submitted, not closed.

Before answer again, come and race. :rally_dri

For anyone interested, the appeal has been re-processed with consideration for a first-time offence. While the report decision has not changed, the penalty incurred has been reduced and a proportion of the previously deducted points have been credited to the driver's licence.

Thanks to everyone.. we got there in the end