I hereby propose to add the following rules to the rulebook, to be added and effective starting with Round 12.

4c: Cars in pit-lane shall drive in the pit driving lane (Fast Lane) until they reach their desired pit-stall. Drivers may not drive in the pitting lane (slow lane) except for the duration of their pitbox, and the box immediately preceding it or immediately following it. A drive-through penalty may be issued for each occurrence.

I hereby propose to modify the following rules. Changes are indicated in Bold Underline:

9a: Qualifying will run for 25 minutes. During this time no driver is to use Shift P or Shift S while on track, and must return to pitlane and have the software indicate you have made a pitstop before using any of these type commands. This therefore requires that proper inlaps and outlaps are done. This is to avoid distraction to other drivers on track, and create a more realistic qualifying session.

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Good idea, not sure wether to say +1 or "Aye" here, sooo

Aye, +1

Question about 4c, is the pit box just, any? or do we have to decide beforehand which one to stop in?

Hey Deko, I take it some people took advantage of the shorter route through the boxes at KYNAT?

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Drivers may not drive in the pitting lane (slow lane) except for the duration of their pitbox, and the box immediately preceding it or immediately following it.
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To clarify: At start of the pitlane you could straightline through the first box, stop in the second box and get back into the fastlane via the third box? Conversely, you could drive through the third to last box, stop in second to last and straightline the last box straight back out?

Quote from Davidos93 :

Good idea, not sure wether to say +1 or "Aye" here, sooo

Aye, +1

Question about 4c, is the pit box just, any? or do we have to decide beforehand which one to stop in?

Any box as far as I know

Quote from tenmantaylor :

Hey Deko, I take it some people took advantage of the shorter route through the boxes at KYNAT?



To clarify: At start of the pitlane you could straightline through the first box, stop in the second box and get back into the fastlane via the third box? Conversely, you could drive through the third to last box, stop in second to last and straightline the last box straight back out?

so you're entering the pit... you choose to use the second, then you're allowed to touch the first pit area to stand propperly in your pit stall. While exiting you're allowed to touch the third pit area. If you also touch the fourth area, you'll get a penalty!

Quote from dekojester :

and have the software indicate you have made a pitstop

When you make a pit stop, everyone else sees (for example) '[NDR] Dekojester made a pit stop' BUT YOU DO NOT. So the rule will have to probably be that you have to have stopped in your pit box for a certain amount of time (e.g 1 second) to ensure that the 'xxx has made a pit stop' actually comes up

Quote from tenmantaylor :

Hey Deko, I take it some people took advantage of the shorter route through the boxes at KYNAT?

Yes, some people did and some didn't.

+1

Quote from wOoOzZy :

Yes, some people did and some didn't.

+1

Plus, you gotta think of all the cloaked pitcrews that you all killed (at every track, too)

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it probably only is an advantage at KY2, due to the curved pitlane, but at AS North for example, its a short and straight pitlane, so nothing to gain from cutting it

It sounds a good idea to prevent people taking advantage.

However, given there are no team markings or pitcrews to guide you into a specific box when the pitlane is busy with other cars I hope their is some degree of leniency if the intention of driving in and out of a pitbox is evident.

The last thing we want is for penalties to be applied as haphazardly as in real F1.

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However, given there are no team markings or pitcrews to guide you into a specific box when the pitlane is busy with other cars I hope their is some degree of leniency if the intention of driving in and out of a pitbox is evident.

Would you like specified pitstalls then? Surely with a bit of layout work (=Joseph) that wouldn't be such an arse thing

With regard to the penalties issued at Rd12 can we have further clarification of this rule please?

It seems the rule was applied to some people and not others for reasons I can't understand. Is it okay to drive through 6 pitboxes now, not the three stated in the rule proposal?

The rule needs to be hard and fast or scrapped and all drivers need to be made fully aware of it.

I feared this may happen.

I agree. It's gotta be all or nothing.

... it probably has something to do with the penalty issuing procedure. Instead of strict rules it goes thru the review panel

Well I think certain rules should be governed differently. Racing incidents can be a little more based on the pov of the "rule enforcement board". But if a rule states you can't do something and it's done, that should be a penalty regardless of how you look at it.

Quote from wOoOzZy :

Well I think certain rules should be governed differently. Racing incidents can be a little more based on the pov of the "rule enforcement board". But if a rule states you can't do something and it's done, that should be a penalty regardless of how you look at it.

Rule states :

4c: Cars in pit-lane shall drive in the pit driving lane (Fast Lane) until they reach their desired pit-stall. Drivers may not drive in the pitting lane (slow lane) except for the duration of their pitbox, and the box immediately preceding it or immediately following it. A drive-through penalty may be issued for each occurrence.

Which means that it is left to the ''rule enforcement board'' to decide if it is truely worthy of a penalty. Imo.

Fair enough. Though I think that having it be more concrete would be beneficial.

I did offer some clarification on the rule in the Round 12 Post-Race thread:

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Just so you all know, the rule does not intend to specifially indicate exactly one box - there is room still for interpretation. It's based on space between stalls, etc. The penalty will be issued if there is intent to use most stalls. But a clipping of a box before the box before your stall can be considered accidental, and not result in a penalty.

I will admit that I did not penalize two drivers because I decided it would be best to be lax in the first round of application to allow for a mistake or unintentional clipping. In future rounds, I will be becoming more strict on crossings. I did not penalize either Wisnewski or Barnick because I saw intent to try and not cross, I saw that the majority of other crossings were only a minority of the boxes. The drivers that recieved penalites did blatantly cut entire boxes, and not partial boxes.

I also allow for a bit of leniency due to the potential problems of sighting boxes because LFS does not yet have any "crew" visible.

But rest assured that enforcement of this rule in future will be stricter. Again, the leniency this round was simply to ensure that people are fully accustomed to it before full enforcement.

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Fair 'nuff