In my opinion F1 is F1 and can´t be changed: the team with a higher budget has the better car and wins, overtaking is difficult, it´s more a business than a sport, etc. If you like that, watch it, if you are looking for a competitive motorsport where money is not the most important thing and where the driver is more important than the car, watch another competition.
whilst F1 can't be a spec series and can't have totally restrictive engine regs and / or only one manufacturer, F1 does not need depend on having large numbers of manufacturers, it didn't in the 70s, there were for the most part just 3 engines used, the ferrari flat 12 engine in ferraris (in case you hadn't guessed
) the matra v12 in the ligiers and the cosworth v8 in every other teams. the difference was that we had plenty of independent teams building their own chassis, we even had "customer" teams in that at various times, various teams would appear for (usually) 1 or 2 races using a chassis that was a year or 2 old. williams make a big fuss about not allowing customer teams yet frank william's first F1 car in 1970 was a 1969 brabham.
Toyota should be winning world championships then?
interesting they've just been discussing safty cars on five live during the second practice and apparently there is a growing movement amongst the teaMS to remove in race refueling to avoid the safty car problem plus it would make a large difference to the freight costs for overseas races and put more preasure on the tyre changes and opening up more tactics regarding tyres
Well, is not as simple
We have enough spec single seater series already!
Ok, if there were several 'customer' engine designs allowed, but one, no way, we don't want f1 becoming just another Champ car/ A1GP/ IRL.
They're murdering WRC, Le Mans Prototypes (They're doing what they did to group C all over again.) and now F1, soon top level motorsport will only be interesting to fat old men in suites, rubbing their hands with glee as their mobile advertising board wins another race and nets them a few million.
My maths tells me that thats 3 times the amount of engines Bernie wants, plus there was at least the freedom to have any 3litre engine you wanted, despite the fact nearly everyone went for a DFV because it was probrably the best value.
The most dangerous people in motorsport at the moment are Bernie and Adolf Mosely, and they're getting even more dangerous with their increasingly mad ideas, not only are they killing off f1 but just about all of the rest of top level motorsport, if Bernie and Max want to cut costs they may as well shut f1 down completely before it becomes a joke.
Everything was fine until Bernie wormed his way in somehow.
I see no relation to Group C, actually looking better than ever since 1999. Also if you meant FIA, it's not in charge of Le Mans protos, ACO is and their plans seems to be mostly spot on.
Also in the 70's Ferrari was basically the only big manufacturer, very different scenario to today. Of course if FIA wants to get rid of manufacturers... (easier to screw around with small teams?)
John Howett (Toyota) backs popular theory...
"I don't think there has been any discussion between the FIA and teams of a spec engine. [...] I could say controversially that the negotiating stance historically in Formula One has been to put an extreme proposal on the table and then that encourages the teams to move in a direction, so we may just be, at the moment, purely in a negotiating tactic."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71281
Rest in Peace F1.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/10813
I can see Toyota, Mercedes, BMW and Renault gradually pulling out, don't know about Ferrari (Probrably not).
This will be the biggest disaster for F1 ever, there are many other ways to cut costs, this is a far from ideal way of doing it.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/10813
I can see Toyota, Mercedes, BMW and Renault gradually pulling out, don't know about Ferrari (Probrably not).
This will be the biggest disaster for F1 ever, there are many other ways to cut costs, this is a far from ideal way of doing it.
No, manufacturers won't leave, because Bernie HOPES they wouldn't leave.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71492
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71492
Bernie is a bloody idiot, engines are the whole reason why BMW and Mercedes are in F1 in the first place!
Obviously this is coming from the FIA and not Bernie, but they're all mad as hatters, variety on a grid is what makes racing exciting, the reason racing has been so poor is that although the cars are not spec in F1, they're all so similar anyway, this is a move in completely the wrong direction.
I hope all the manufactureres incl Ferrari leave (not likely somehow though), and stick their middle fingers up at Adolf Mosely and Bernard Goebbels.
Obviously this is coming from the FIA and not Bernie, but they're all mad as hatters, variety on a grid is what makes racing exciting, the reason racing has been so poor is that although the cars are not spec in F1, they're all so similar anyway, this is a move in completely the wrong direction.
I hope all the manufactureres incl Ferrari leave (not likely somehow though), and stick their middle fingers up at Adolf Mosely and Bernard Goebbels.
this is the biggest load of crap ive seen in recent f1 history.
Bernie + Max = Two biggest idiots on earth.
someone should start a petition titled "BERNIE and MAX GO F**K EACH OTHER, LEAVE F1 ALONE"
Bernie + Max = Two biggest idiots on earth.
someone should start a petition titled "BERNIE and MAX GO F**K EACH OTHER, LEAVE F1 ALONE"
Can someone do a poster with that on and display it at a GP? Kthxbai.
Maybe they'll do like the stock motor RC classes and hand out the motors right before the race starts. 
I'm really surprised that F1 is going in this direction. I can't picture any of the factory teams sticking around.
I'm really surprised that F1 is going in this direction. I can't picture any of the factory teams sticking around.
I still think this is just brinkmanship though.
I dont necessarily think it's a bad thing for the racing. Personally I dont care about what engine is in what car, save for whether it's underperforming or not - the brands are meeningless to me as a viewer. Engines make a lot of difference to a cars performance, but racing for me is about car setup, driver skill, team work and telemetry analysis.
The only way this could be bad for the sport is if it causes a lot of money to leave, but F1 is very rich, it can afford to loose a few manufacturers provided it can still find the [now reduced] funds for the teams.
Those engines are bleeding expensive, and when a team has a bad one they languish behind where nobody cares about them.
Bring it on I say.
The only way this could be bad for the sport is if it causes a lot of money to leave, but F1 is very rich, it can afford to loose a few manufacturers provided it can still find the [now reduced] funds for the teams.
Those engines are bleeding expensive, and when a team has a bad one they languish behind where nobody cares about them.
Bring it on I say.
yeah its hard to imagine something worse happening than manufacturers who are only in it for marketing reasons and spend most of their time at a gp complaining about the costs riding away into the sunset and leaving f1 to people like frank williams eddie jordan jack brabham ken tyrrell and bruce mclaren
Firstly, Bruce Mclaren is a bit dead, and so is Ken tyrell.
Secondly, F1 is about variety, this is not Champ Car, Variety (when not restricted, like the last 10 years), makes for exciting racing.
Enzo Ferrari always prided himself in that he had his own engines built, he'll be turning in his grave!
Restricting the materials that the things are made out of will cut costs, manufacturer produced engines don't have to be expensive.
Why cant they at least have a choice of several 'customer' engines, like Judd and Ford in the 1980s, that wouldn't be so horrendous.
Its killing off the whole thing that makes F1 stand out from all the other crappy single seater series, the individuality.
I cant see any new teams joining F1, so when all the manufacturers are gone there will be pathetic grids, yes manufactureres make the sport expensive, but having one engine design only is a joke!
They might as well just get a load of GP2 cars and slap some bigger engines on the back of them, so that is your idea of a good future for F1?
Well as soon as this rule comes in I will turn away from F1.
The whole F1 concept is being killed bit by bit!
GP2 & Formula Renault for me
Edit:// They give good races! Even if they are all the same Chassis & Engine!
The whole F1 concept is being killed bit by bit!
GP2 & Formula Renault for me
Edit:// They give good races! Even if they are all the same Chassis & Engine!
Don't they have a single engine formula already?
Yea but they are actually entertaining lol :P
Formula 1 is pretty good as it is now - I realise we need less Aero to get more overtaking, but having the same engines etc just isn't Formula 1!
I dunno what the big deal is. All different engines do is spread the field out.
There's other ways to spread the field though :/
Also why not have some set components in all the engines? That way it evens it up to a certain degree but also allows the manufacturers to fine tune their engines for every little bhp they can squeeze out.
Because they'd spend 8 billion nuggets doing so.
The problem with single engines, gearboxes, seats whatever is that it takes away from what F1 is about.
F1 is all about the big Technological advances in motorsport (and subsequently the motor industry) and if we were to introduce measures which means that teams will be using the same equipment then we would be left with nothing more than a single engine series.
While that is not a bad thing, nor should it be totally discouraged, lets face it F1 is starting to struggle amongst the current climate, however if this does come in I would feel that F1 looses a little bit of prestige.
F1 is all about the big Technological advances in motorsport (and subsequently the motor industry) and if we were to introduce measures which means that teams will be using the same equipment then we would be left with nothing more than a single engine series.
While that is not a bad thing, nor should it be totally discouraged, lets face it F1 is starting to struggle amongst the current climate, however if this does come in I would feel that F1 looses a little bit of prestige.
Mosley wants action to 'save' F1
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