Time to finally ignore Mikey.

Slippery slope, my ass.

Ben... you're offering up your ass? Excellent...



Anywho... I'm still sticking by my whole "Unless you're personally harming someone else, why do you give a **** what someone else does"

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I don't have a personal problem with homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle but when it tries to become the normal lifestyle and becomes legally imposed upon traditional communities, I get a little agitated. The main argument for prop 8 is that California will become like Massachusetts. In MA, children as young as 2nd grade are taught that it is as normal for a girl to marry a girl as a girl marrying a boy. This has caused sexual confusion (understandably) for some of those children. Parents cannot decide whether or not their child is subject to that lesson because it is part of Massachusetts state curriculum.

The only possible way I could answer this is losing my temper. I might return to this conversation later on when i've calmed down from reading this misguided tripe.

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I don't have a personal problem with homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle but when it tries to become the normal lifestyle and becomes legally imposed upon traditional communities, I get a little agitated. The main argument for prop 8 is that California will become like Massachusetts. In MA, children as young as 2nd grade are taught that it is as normal for a girl to marry a girl as a girl marrying a boy. This has caused sexual confusion (understandably) for some of those children. Parents cannot decide whether or not their child is subject to that lesson because it is part of Massachusetts state curriculum.

:slap:

And then you teach children as young as those ones (or even younger) that it's normal to believe on creationism

Don't worry... eventually you'll grow up (the cultural basis of your nation I mean)

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Executive summary: I don't really *hate* gays. I can tolerate them as long as they stay in the closet.

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Proponents of prop 8 are worried that its failure to pass will result in further legislation bringing the laws further away from traditional Californian values.

And what would these "traditional values" be? Smoking pot and loving everybody, perhaps? (Traditional since the 60s.) Or do you mean hating faggots? Even more traditional: killing the indjuns and keeping slaves.

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Voters in california are against polygamy and bestiality

Yes, and we all know that gays are wife-herding, sheep-humping, drug-dealing homicidal maniacs, don't we? :rolleyes:

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Yes, and we all know that gays are wife-herding, sheep-humping, drug-dealing homicidal maniacs, don't we? :rolleyes:

so me being a welsh former drug addict with a violent past isn't helping the cause is it

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Yes, and we all know that gays are wife-herding, sheep-humping, drug-dealing homicidal maniacs, don't we? :rolleyes:

No, I didn't know that.

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so me being a welsh former drug addict with a violent past isn't helping the cause is it

I guess the addiction ain't so bad, coz Dubya himself used to be a boozer. And the CA governor also has a history of violence, all filmed in Technicolor. But what about being Welsh and liking sheep?

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California will become like Massachusetts. In MA, children as young as 2nd grade are taught that it is as normal for a girl to marry a girl as a girl marrying a boy. This has caused sexual confusion (understandably) for some of those children.

Is that scientific fact?

What "confusion" is that? If they're attracted to one over the other, what's confusing about that? The only confusion that could cause is if someone's telling them their feelings are wrong, which obviously completely betrays what they've been taught.

Many Americans need to watch Brass Eye.
But many British people need it re-runned and another series.

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Many Americans need to watch Brass Eye.
But many British people need it re-runned and another series.

We have just given them Little Britain, I don't think they would be able to handle Brass Eye after that.

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Yes, and we all know that gays are wife-herding, sheep-humping, drug-dealing homicidal maniacs, don't we? :rolleyes:

well zeugni is

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Is that scientific fact?

its slightly worrying that youve influence my tv watching habits enough for me to know what the link would lead me to before i clicked on it

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its slightly worrying that youve influence my tv watching habits enough for me to know what the link would lead me to before i clicked on it

I do repeat myself a fair bit, it's partly old age and partly all the mindbending drugs.

Or just old age on it's own!

Hey kev, you have another gay stalker!

:sadbanana

I think many people don't undertstand how conservative california really is. A few years ago, a similar proposition banned gay marriage and passed by 61% but was overturned by 4 activist judges. 4 million votes vs 4 judges. is that democracy?

@DeadWolfBones (not that he can read this if he ignored me) Ignoring someone because they hold different beliefs and values is not the open-mindedness you preach now is it? For the record I've never ignored anyone. I've always responded to criticism and while you and I may not always agree (and may never) I at least give you the respect you deserve.

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4 activist judges

I love how every right wing American uses the exact same words to describe their opposition in every controversial matter. Without exception it's some ridiculous hyperbole to used to vilify the opposition and further polarise the issue.

Is there some newsletter you all subscribe to in which the hyperbole of the month gets circulated?

what are they then? If I argued against the majority of California on an issue, could it be said that I am an activist for that cause? Besides 3 of those judges who are in question are republicans. They're not opposition, they made a terrible decision against the wishes of the majority.

btw nice response, pick one thing you don't like to refute the legitimacy of the entire argument. If I wanted to do the same I would just say you spelled polarize wrong and be done with it.

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I love how every right wing American uses the exact same words to describe their opposition in every controversial matter. Without exception it's some ridiculous hyperbole to used to vilify the opposition and further polarise the issue.

Do you actually teach English in Norway? Your English vocabulary is much broader than that of most English people.

As for the yanks: I find it bizarre (I'm not judging anyone, it's just bizarre) that words like "liberal" and "socialist" are considered dirty words over there. Some of the most important reforms in our history here in the UK were implemented by liberals and socialists, and their good work is still appreciated 50+ years on.

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btw nice response, pick one thing you don't like to refute the legitimacy of the entire argument. If I wanted to do the same I would just say you spelled polarize wrong and be done with it.

It was purely an argument (EDIT: actually more of a snarky comment) against your usage of the word "activist". I made no comment on the issue itself. Think of it as an amusing observation from an outsider.

EDIT: Oh, and I write British English, in which "polarise" is one of two allowed spellings.

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Do you actually teach English in Norway? Your English vocabulary is much broader than that of most English people.

If I had gone into teaching, chances are I'd be a murderer by now. I don't have the patience.

I just read, write and listen to English an awful lot. It's actually gotten to the point where my Norwegian is suffering and I struggle to construct proper sentences without resorting to English turns and phrases. A bit pathetic really. Just don't ask me to speak English or I'll melt into an embarrassed, stammering puddle on the floor.

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I think many people don't undertstand how conservative california really is. A few years ago, a similar proposition banned gay marriage and passed by 61% but was overturned by 4 activist judges. 4 million votes vs 4 judges. is that democracy?

in a state with 36 million people? yes it is

not everyone votes silly

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Proposition 22 was ratified by an overwhelming majority of California voters, prevailing by a 23-point margin. Statewide, 4,618,673 votes were cast in favor of the proposition, comprising 61.4% of the total vote. Opponents garnered 2,909,370 votes, for 38.6% of the vote.

Prop 22:

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“Only marriage between a man and a woman
is valid or recognized in California.”

16% of the population... thats democratic allright