anyone watched the race~?

the cars looked like a complete pig going round there compares to the Champcar, and the car seems very fat too, which wouldn't suit narrow chicane very well. the cars are so fat that it's next to impossible to drive side by side into a chicane at the start, everyone pretty much HAVE to go single file, or shortcut it, or crash.

wouldn't it be great if they can use the existing champcar chasis for road/street courses, and keep their current pig for the oval...

No wonder Surfers was excluded from 2009 calendar.

IRL car width: 200 cm

ChampCar (Panoz DP01) car width: 200 cm

Judging a cars width or handling by the way it looks: dumb

Was watching a recording of it last night, fell asleep.

That track was always boooring. Except when it was CART and a big crash happened at the start with a lot of rain

Quote from PMD9409 :

Was watching a recording of it last night, fell asleep.

ooh, a street track with no passing. Who could have guessed.

i was going to watch it, but i just dont have enough motivation to watch v8's anymore so i forgot. I wish they'd hurry up and put another make of car in.

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

IRL car width: 200 cm

ChampCar (Panoz DP01) car width: 200 cm

Judging a cars width or handling by the way it looks: dumb

did u watched the race then~? have you seen how the IRL cars were compared to the Champcars~?

they might be of the same width but the handling is still different, which was what I was pointing out. The differential in handling were to me very visible, especially at those chicanes.

the fastest lap last year in the Champcar with a 1:31.093, this year in the Indycar the fastest lap was 1:35.155, and where'd u think that 4sec came from~? the Indycars are around 100bhp down but it couldn't make a 4sec difference on a track filled with corners and chicane does it~?

not to mention those guys in Champcar they could somehow squeece side-by-side at the first lap at the chicane, what happened last weekend was a straight forward has to be single file. (at least there were plenty of run-off for short cutting, and their officials are more efficient at ordering a driver to hand back any position gained)

Judging a post as dumb by just point out a fact for one of the point in the post: dumb

Quote from chanoman315 :

That track was always boooring. Except when it was CART and a big crash happened at the start with a lot of rain

they then spent the remaining laps behind the safety car (2hrs or so) until they red flag it because the track was just too wet to race...

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they then spent the remaining laps behind the safety car (2hrs or so) until they red flag it because the track was just too wet to race...

Not quite true

They ran the 2002 race MOSTLY behind the pace car and called it due to light conditions AFAIK

Quote from JCTK :

did u watched the race then~? have you seen how the IRL cars were compared to the Champcars~?

they might be of the same width but the handling is still different, which was what I was pointing out. The differential in handling were to me very visible, especially at those chicanes.

the fastest lap last year in the Champcar with a 1:31.093, this year in the Indycar the fastest lap was 1:35.155, and where'd u think that 4sec came from~? the Indycars are around 100bhp down but it couldn't make a 4sec difference on a track filled with corners and chicane does it~?

not to mention those guys in Champcar they could somehow squeece side-by-side at the first lap at the chicane, what happened last weekend was a straight forward has to be single file. (at least there were plenty of run-off for short cutting, and their officials are more efficient at ordering a driver to hand back any position gained)

Judging a post as dumb by just point out a fact for one of the point in the post: dumb

JCTK calm down...it's a street track what did you expect? Also, i really dont think it's because the indycar sucks at handling left AND rights as Indy has a lot of entertaining races at St. Petersburg, Long Beach and Belle Isle (oval/street = indy).

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

ooh, a street track with no passing. Who could have guessed.

Thank you

hmm... watched the race on youtube... well... it was really like having pigs running after each other. But the CART races were a bit more intersting, as they (Lola and Panoz) behave totally different to the IRL Dallara. The car concept was just more for roadcourses then the Dallara.

look here how narrow it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHZDSESr6z8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkuMCFZLG9w

some american single seater race action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJSNTSmJWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDOaXVkvzns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JioS43C5XNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyTf651IgE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrgp7r1QDJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVkoAlJVifU

But well, it is an typical street circuit, though it is much more fun to watch a race @ surfers then a race @ Albert Park

Quote from lizardfolk :

JCTK calm down...it's a street track what did you expect? Also, i really dont think it's because the indycar sucks at handling left AND rights as Indy has a lot of entertaining races at St. Petersburg, Long Beach and Belle Isle (oval/street = indy).

I've been watching Sufers for years, and of cos I never expect any "entertaining" races there~
but I sure do love to see the drivers tackle those tight chicanes thru, hence the point I made about the handling of those indycars compare to champcars~

Quote from deggis :

No wonder Surfers was excluded from 2009 calendar.

They will be there, it's not on the calender because it's not a championship round, no points are awarded there now.

It's always been a crap race, probably due to the crap circuit. It's not enough that there is a beach nearby, it doesn't improve the racing one iota.

I'd be glad to see it go TBH.

Quote from nismoCat :

They will be there, it's not on the calender because it's not a championship round, no points are awarded there now.

When IRL has confirmed they will be there? Not that they have confirmed the opposite either...

as far as I've understood this year it was no points race because of the whole CCWS/IRL merger thing.

Mr. Panoz is interested bringing ALMS there (incase IRL won't be there).

Looks like A1GP will host the Queensland event from now on.


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