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The US Automakers are in Trouble thread
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Quote from Shotglass :yes they do... they call them opc and theyre exactly the same cars
the only one that isnt available as an opel is the vxr8 and im guessing that because its only built with the wheel on the wrong side

Heh, I found that out when I stopped using the Malta Opel site (a site that appears very incomplete) and used the German version.

Also, never heard of the Pontiac GTO or the G8? If the Yanks can change the side of a car the wheel sits, I am sure the Germans can.
Quote from Shotglass :and will outrun any suv on either backroads or the autobahn

Of course it will, it's a car. What car can't out-handle an SUV?
Quote from P5YcHoM4N :Also, never heard of the Pontiac GTO or the G8? If the Yanks can change the side of a car the wheel sits, I am sure the Germans can.

except the vxr8 is australian and from what ive heard they barely know which end of a beer can is the one to drink from
Quote from Shotglass :except the vxr8 is australian and from what ive heard they barely know which end of a beer can is the one to drink from

If I had ovaries I'd bare your children.
Quote from SamH :I'm not sure where in the US you are, to make a direct comparison. Our motorways in the UK are in better condition than the Eisenhower network but I don't think US side roads are in much worse condition than ours, if at all. I drove thousands of miles on gravel roads in Iowa but I never found any to speak of East of Iowa. And I did look for them.. I had a preoccupation with looking for old barns, cataloging as many as I could before they fell down.

I live in Michigan, which is east of Iowa. We have plenty of dirt roads. While gravel roads in Iowa tend to be rather flat and even , dirt roads get big ol' ruts and bumps and puddles and ice on them. My best friend lives way out in the middle of nowhere. It is dirt roads for miles and miles around his house. He owns a Suturn Ion (small car). On days when it snows a lot (everyday in the heart of the winter), he cannot get out of his driveway, much less to my school which is 45 minutes from his house. His dad, however, owns a large heavy-duty pickup truck because he runs a farm and needs to haul bales of hay. The truck can make it through the heavy snow and ice. It has even had to tow the Ion once or twice. Also there is a lot of hunting and off-roading here. I don't hunt, but my dad does own a Jeep Wrangler for off-roading purposes. Of course he bought this when the economy was good, but 4 wheel drive is almost a necessity on some days to make it to school, especially since road salt is very scarce now.

And Shotglass: I resent that bottom comment. My butt is very nice.
EDIT: Whoops! forgot to say something about sumo wrestlers in that last part. They are almost certainly bigger than me.
Lived with the benefits and pitfalls of the US auto industry for 40 years.
Born and raised near Dayton, Ohio., three generations of my family have had careers with GM. Starting with my Grandfather in the 1950's, who retired as the longest salaried employee in the history of GM as a parts buyer. My father who became a tool maker in the late 70's and took a buyout a couple of years before full retirement. My cousin, a chassis Engineer who took a buyout just 5 years from full retirement. And I worked in the engineering design industry as a contractor to many different suppliers to the auto industry until those opportunities began to go away as far back as ten years ago.

Note, with exception of my father's career, we've all had white collar jobs.

I've gone back and forth about the Unions, to the conclusion that they are not at fault here. At one time Union wages were a bit over the top but as far back as a decade ago, newly hired workers' wages were more reasonable.

I think our politicians are the first to blame followed closely by these companies' top management, executives, and directors. Our politicians are to blame for having the oil companies in they're wallets for decades, and for the lack of understanding how to implement truly valuable regulations on the industry. This benefited the greed of the industry greatly, allowing these companies to squash or purchase and kill any new technology that would be seen as a threat to the politician/oil/auto threesome. Oil companies that buy patent rights to a battery, and shelf it instead of furthering development.

NAFTA was a gloss over. Using the argument that Unions were killing the auto industry. We lost jobs and the execs made more money, and the companies' spent record amounts ensuring quality of product manufactured everywhere but in our back yard.

Unfortunately, it looks as though this country would have a devastating reaction to the status quot. 3 million jobs are at risk, not including those already lost.

The feds should review the history of they're own relationship with the industry. Break the executive stranglehold on these companies and force them to re-invest in the very technologies they in the past have paid enormous effort and investment to stop. Revisit the relationship between clean, low cost energy, fuel sources, and the automobile. Provide incentives for the industry to convert plants to alternative manufacturing, then lease them and the supporting employees to other developing industries. We are told that 3 million jobs could be created by rebuilding our power grid with new technologies.

If there is any payback to the taxpayer for a bail-out, it should be in the development of future employment.

And if the auto industry were forced to comply with these types of regulations, I would be in favor of a bail out.
Quote from mrodgers :
Why does this always come up? If no one wants to buy American cars, then why are parking lots packed full of American cars in...... America!!!

maybe you havent realised.
but america isnt the whole world.
Quote from Shotglass :they need to be... have you ever compared japanese bottoms to american ones?

i lol'ed
Quote from NSX_FReeDoM :maybe you havent realised.
but america isnt the whole world.

Maybe you haven't realized, General Motors is a US car manufacture and I live in the US. You all say "NO ONE". Perhaps you all need to realize that the UK and Europe isn't the whole world. You guys are the ones who think you are the world.
What percentage of the US car maker's income comes from exports? The reason I ask is that we don't see many American cars in the UK but we see a hell of a lot of Japanese, French, Italian etc. You could say it's horses for courses (American cars aren't made for European roads) or you could say that we don't want American cars because they aren't as good. I get the impression it's the second, personally and that's why I don't think they should be bailed out. They've got themselves in this mess by ignoring global automotive trends and churning out the same type of vehicles over and over again. The F-150, which is or was the most popular new vehicle, scored as one of the most dangerous cars in crash testing. It's very poorly built, ridiculously uneconimical and just a piece of junk. They have no-one to blame but themselves.
Bear in mind that Ford and GM do own European makes (SAAB, Vauxhall, Volvo, Ford of Europe, until recently Jaguar and Land Rover). Also, not all Japanese makes build the cars in Japan and ship the cars over - UK Honda Civics are built in Swindon.

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