Which is surely what the death penalty is.
So because someone commits murder we can legally murder them in return?
That's so backwards it's beyond belief.
Which is surely what the death penalty is.
So because someone commits murder we can legally murder them in return?
That's so backwards it's beyond belief.
The death penalty is a lighter sentence than 25 or so years in jail, imo. Especially if it's a really disgusting crime - one that'll get you abused badly in prison. I can't be bothered to post a long explanation, but think about it.
They were dead certain of his guilt, they even rejected his first appeal before it started. Simple fact is there is too much room for error to allow the death penalty. Now if you said bring back hard labour, I'd back an idea like that. Death penalty however is just barbaric.
Or it is religious, which preaches eye for and eye. Although in the same book it tells you to forgive people and turn the other cheek. Which is slightly contradictory.
Religion in a nutshell.
get them breaking stones again
and get rid of these holiday camp jails.....
Unfortunately inciting racial and religious hatred is going to upset people and some will turn violent, there has already been a case of one of these racist bigots getting murdered by a neighbour who couldn't stand his abuse.
Which is precisely the argument for the abolishment of capital punishment...
Allthough only on a sidetrack of this topic, which, if followed more closely, will it have locked:
How can a mind that regard itself sane be pro capital punishment? Doesn't anybody see the simple propblem: If you take the life of someone who took a life, your life would have to be taken too. So who do you execute after the murderer? The executioner? the judge? the jury? all of them?
How can a mind that regard itself sane be pro capital punishment? Doesn't anybody see the simple propblem: If you take the life of someone who took a life, your life would have to be taken too. So who do you execute after the murderer? The executioner? the judge? the jury? all of them?
I think you have it the wrong way around. You treat murder like it's the worst crime, it isn't. Look at actual cases and you'll find people take life for a number of reasons: One is revenge; Another is self defence; Then of course mental dissorder (serial killers etc).
Taking a life my being so damn careless with a car is shirking your responsibility and duty of care to others whilst driving a 1 tonne object at speeds which could crush a child. Whilst nobody intends to kill anyone, drivers are far too removed from their responsibility of care toward others in this day and age.
To me that's a far more serious offence then taking alive out of revenge for a rape or in defence of one, or some such sordid tale.
The term "murder" is literred with generalities in the sub-conscious, but there are very few cases of murder for sport, usually there is a reason where an ordinary rational person was pushed so far that they considered it.
Something to think about anyway.
As already discussed earlier in this thread the attack was not on a BNP person, or on a BNP members car, and if you read the police report they ruled out a BNP connection. It simply happened NEAR somebody on the list, given how many people are on the list, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Stop playing the victim card, it doesn't wash.
And in any case if a BNP member got done over simply because they supported the BNP i'd not complain, I got done over by 3 fascist pigs earlier this year simply because i'm gay - there was no newspaper reporter there reporting on the injustice, it's just part of living with fascists at large in the community.
Simple solution: Blow the ****ing planet up, then we won't have any problems with racists, idiots or axe murderers.
But murder is still murder, calling someone names is not reason enough to kill them and in this case the person who's car was attacked wasn't even a member of the BNP and more to the point the list released is supposedly just a list of people who contacted BNP HQ but doesn't mean they support the party.
So if I was to contact the BNP to request an info pack to make an anti-BNP campaign I'd be on the list.
Vigilante justice has no place in this country no matter the race or political associations of the people involved.
It is still a crime that can never be justified, but by giving such provocation they only bring it upon themselves.
The car that attacked was not owned by someone on the BNP list, they simply lived in the same street.
A severe ass kicking, yes I will agree to that, but killing someone is just wrong.
I get that, which is why I said innocent people. But even the leaked list isn't a definitive list of actual BNP members because of how it is generated.
Absolute horse shit. A 52 year old man stabbed in the back by a muslim and unlawfully wounded by his 2 sons. 3-1 and even then gets the charges dropped to manslaughter. 8 years most likley only serve half that, Imagine if it was Habib who was killed they would have thrown the book at him and it would have been headline news for weeks. As it was it barely got a mention, Just like Poor young innocent Kriss Donald
You seem to have ignored the torrent of racial abuse that man hurled at the family for months on end. If it was the other way round the attack would have been racially motivated and done on purpose, the man was racist scum and felt the consequences of making someone elses life unbearable. You can't compare an act of anger and despiration to a sadistic racially motivated murder just because both cases didn't get much time on the news.
If I had my conservative hat on I would have given Habib a medal for ridding the world of a vile and despicable excuse for a human being, but being a liberal I can't agree with his actions, and I believe the victim was racist because of a mental illness, which is how I view all racists, mentally ill.
Who would have thought he'd use the race card against a bnp member 
It has nothing to do with what party he supported, I had no idea he was even a BNP member. He racially abused another family to the point where he drove the father to manslaughter, that's a fact which was upheld in court. It seems you support more of the BNP's ideals than you think, such as the denial of cold hard facts that have evidence to support them.
Yes he's a poor victim, If stabbing an un-armed man in the back while having your son unlawfully wounding his son is'nt murder then what is, and like i said before if Mr Brown had stabbed Mr Khan just stabbed even if he did'nt die they would have thrown the book at him.
, If stabbing an un-armed man in the back while having your son unlawfully wounding his son is'nt murder then what is, and like i said before if Mr Brown had stabbed Mr Khan just stabbed even if he did'nt die they would have thrown the book at him.If Mr Brown had stabbed and killed Mr Khan he would rightfully have been sentenced for murder, he was the aggressor in this whole case, him and his son racially abused the Khans for a number of years, in one incident Mr Khan had ended up in hospital. I'm not trying to defend his actions, I'm telling you the facts, and why he quite rightly got sentenced for manslaughter without intent and unlawful wounding.
I do not for one moment agree that the sentences would be any different had the roles been reversed. Actually I do, if Mr Khan was the one racially abusing Mr Brown, I expect he would have been deported and sent away on one of those lovely RenAir private jets, after all he does look like a terrorist, and that's enough for the government to ignore his human rights and have him tortured.
you seem to be unable to think that muslims can be racially motivated? What if poor old abused Habib was racially motivated? That sort of comment epitomises this country, in that only white people can be classed as racist.
Aren't you making a lot of assumptions and basing a belief system on supposed outcomes if if if if if and if in order to justify a system of hatred, intollerence and judgementalism without ever having to look at any facts?
There are plenty of examples of hate crimes where the purpetrators go unpunished and no journalist gets involved, plenty. For example the media wont touch the transgendered day of rememberence, which memorises 40 new dead this year alone.
What about anti-gay beatings, so common that they dont even make the local news.
Racial tensions is a newspaper story, it sells headlines because people feel strongly about it.
Just because 1 story gets in the news doesnt meen we should create a whole set of circumstances and judge what their outcomes would have been based on no facts what-so-ever. That's just madness.
I would support capital punishment and the death penalty. Sure, it'd be wrong now and again, but the vast benefits outweight the cons in my opinion. It's also a much bigger incentive not to do anything that might get you convicted than having to spend 5 years in a comfy cell with a Playstation.
Of course racism can go both ways. In this case however it was a clear cut case of a white British family of idiots giving prolonged racial abuse to their perfectly legitimate muslim neighbours, that was established in court. Obviously anybody in such a position is going to have anger, which may or may not be racially motivated, and unfortunately the scum got what was coming to them.
Let's separate truth from fiction. Please cite an example to show that only white people can be classed as racist here. I hear this story almost as often as I see "Bill Gates will give $1bn to cancer research if this email is forwarded to 100,000 people", but I have yet to see a single ACTUAL example.
Actually there is less than no example of incentive. The evidence in fact shows the opposite. In US states where capital punishment is used, it is essentially proven that institutionalised murder (i.e. capital punishment) directly results in the devaluation of human life among the populus. i.e. the punishment justifies the crime.
Tbh i agree with you but i dont think he would have been deported.
BNP membership data leaked - whoops!
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