I would like to see more steering lock. I am a drifter and to get high abgles, 36 lock isn't enough. I tried the Value mod, but it's not useable when drifting online. So please add some more lock, like 48.

If i have more ideas, i will come back at this thread.

Greetz,
Calz

Ok what if we just sit here together and wait for the flaming?

First one will be about 'this has been posted n zillions times before, search before you post' then it will come the part about LFS' subtitle being 'online racing simulator' so 'why don't you sod off/go play NFS instead', and so on

But seriously, there's a sizeable part of the community who has been asking for more restricted setup options; the rest apparently doesn't care a bit, it's just drifters asking for more lock.

My guess is, unless Scawen wants to attract more drifters to LFS, you're not going to see more lock in the road cars anytime soon.

Nothing to do with drifters. The maximum steering lock used to be a lot more, and was reduced to the current maximum because the portion of stock setups of real cars that had more than 36 deg of steering lock was insignificant. So, until there's enough show that more steering lock is available without aftermarket mods in RL, the lock settings will stay as they are.

However, with the extreme setup adjustments available in LFS it would be just in-line with that there was more steering lock available as well. The claim of no RL car has it is a bit bogus one since no real life car comes with fully adjustable gearboxes or suspensions - yet we still have those. If changing few gears is possible (down to 0.001 iirc) why is the addition of few degrees of steering lock not possible?

I'm sure rest of the setup options will berestricted to be more realistic in the future Why steering lock was changed and others weren't we don't know. One explanation could be that realistic values lie somewhere in between the given limits, but steering lock did not. That's probably bs though.

Change comes.. eventually

Quote from Hyperactive :

However, with the extreme setup adjustments available in LFS it would be just in-line with that there was more steering lock available as well. The claim of no RL car has it is a bit bogus one since no real life car comes with fully adjustable gearboxes or suspensions - yet we still have those. If changing few gears is possible (down to 0.001 iirc) why is the addition of few degrees of steering lock not possible?

Well, the new Nissan GTR has fully custumizable things e.g the steerinbg lock. You can adjust it as you want.

Another thing i forgot what needs improvement is the steering wheel support. I am driving a DFP with LFS and it works fine, but there is the button that says wheel turns 720 degrees but im driving with 900. This means that if i am at 720, my wheels stop turning and my DFP doesn't. As some know, the DFP has one single FFB motor, so changing the wheel to 720 isn't an option.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

I'm sure rest of the setup options will berestricted to be more realistic in the future Why steering lock was changed and others weren't we don't know. One explanation could be that realistic values lie somewhere in between the given limits, but steering lock did not. That's probably bs though.

Change comes.. eventually

Eventually, you mean like, scawen's probably already on it - type of thing?

Another explanation would be that a car can be used for both racing and drifting and for each some adjustments, tweaks and modifications can and are made. For racing you may improve the brakes and stuff like that. for drifting you may want more steering lock... It's not like the cars a bone stock... for racing... so why should they be bone stock for drifting? I still haven't heard any good reason why some extra steering lock is bad or shouldn't be done. Mostly it is just some idealistic talk about lfs being a racing sim and not a drifting sim, or the drifters lacking skills or whatever equally irrelevant or wrong.

RSC forums decided to start working again so I can add some linkage
Post : http://forum.racesimcentral.co ... p=2386087&postcount=2
Thread : http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=205235

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

So, until there's enough show that more steering lock is available without aftermarket mods in RL,

Quote from Hyperactive :

The claim of no RL car has it is a bit bogus one

I'm with Hyperactive on this one - Anyone could easily counterpoint that e.g. the XRG comes with 16" wheels while I doubt an unmodded Starion from the late 80s could ever had those.

As a consequence, either the XRG (and other cars) needs to be downgraded, or deviations from RL specs are acceptable. Well it's obvious the latter is correct

Quote from Calzone :

but there is the button that says wheel turns 720 degrees but im driving with 900. This means that if i am at 720, my wheels stop turning and my DFP doesn't. As some know, the DFP has one single FFB motor, so changing the wheel to 720 isn't an option.

This is probably a problem in your own setup, though I never owned a DFP, I think you can limit the lock of the steering wheel using the Logitech drivers.

@Nightshift: If you read my last post good, you would have read that the DFP has only 1 FFB motor, so it hasn't got the power to lock it at 7oo degrees.

@Others: I think like a quarter of the people that play LFS are drifters, so why not? I think it would only attract more people to the game.

Quote from Calzone :

so why not?

You're wasting your breath I'm afraid. Look at the facts:
- There used to be more lock
- Max lock was reduced
- Scawen explained why (read the links)

Unless comprehensive evidence that Scawen's reasoning for reducing max lock was faulty is provided, arguing "why not?" is going to accomplish a whole lot of nothing

Personally, I'd like it increased. I don't care much about why it was reduced either, as I don't see any big problem with increasing it.

Anyhow, it's just another opinion lost in the soup that is the LFS forum. :cry:

*Inserts spoon in soup; stirs*

Quote from Calzone :

@Nightshift: If you read my last post good, you would have read that the DFP has only 1 FFB motor, so it hasn't got the power to lock it at 7oo degrees.

The part about the power not being enough for 720° while it apparently is enough for 900° does not really make sense for me.

But then again, this is clearly a problem in your setup:

Quote from Calzone :

there is the button that says wheel turns 720 degrees but im driving with 900. This means that if i am at 720, my wheels stop turning and my DFP doesn't.

Set your "Wheel turns" slider at 900 and up Wheel Turn Compensation to 1, that should do the trick. The wheel will stop being linear when approaching full lock, though.

Quote from Calzone :

I would like to see more steering lock. I am a drifter and to get high abgles, 36 lock isn't enough. I tried the Value mod, but it's not useable when drifting online. So please add some more lock, like 48.

If i have more ideas, i will come back at this thread.

Greetz,
Calz

Personally, when I've been drifting the XRT, I found that 36 degrees of lock is plenty enough.

same 36 deg is easly enough in the XRT

but the FZR could make use of 40 same with the LX6

but i didnt buy lfs to drift i bought it to race

drifting is a pass time


allso i would LOVE it if road cars were resticted to more realistic setup options

i personaly think road cars should only allow the following changes in setup

FUEL
TYRE PRESSURE
TYRE TYPE
BOOST
HAND BRAKE PRESSURE
TOE FRONT ONLY