Scawen,

there was good discussion about this 5 years ago: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=12091

Let me quote myself

Quote from AttaHorse :

I DO agree with the idea of starting hotlap with already heated tyres. That'd save A LOT of time. Look at some KY1 replays. 5 minutes of tyre heating and 1 minute of driving. What is the competition? "Who has more patience to warm tyres perfectly"? Or "who can drive faster"? And there is absolutely no chance to show good time without hot tyres, so you have to spend this time. Not spend, waste. And there is no output of this. None of skills improving. Just boring porcedure. Mmmm.. Would you include washing dishes in "eating breakfast" simulator?

So, selecting tyre temp would eliminate boring useless procedures and save time, only racing will remain. Only hotlapping will remain, nothing else, I think that's he purpose of hotlapping mode.

PS: yes I don't have many hotlaps now but I'm now just out of LFS. I used to have 100+ hotlaps incl fast oval ones.

LFSWorld Username: AttaHorse
I would like to run for the position of nation's manager: no
Skills: driver

I installed W40 above W17(unlocked, as far as I remember), and it locked. I tried to unlock it several times, but LFS says "Unknown command". I tryed incorrect game password, but lfs says "Incorrect game password", so game recognizes it.
I checked f*.xxx files: f1 is new, but others are not.
I have just copied f*.xxx files from my W installation and it's ok now.

W can be unlocked ok.

Last edited by AttaHorse, Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:36.

@ tristancliffe: i do most of online racing in demo, so it's out of stats
And my stats says Laps:792

I mean that warming tyres is a _skill_ for you, but it's a absolute _routine_ for me.

@filur: yes, that _routine_ helps in qualifying. But I want to see things that can help in qualifying in qualifying only. But now I have to do this in hotlap mode, which is not about qualifying. I think you would not be glad to see, that your lap is HLVC-invalid (meaning try another one) in RACE mode.

OnTopic: starting from the pits is also the thing that just eats a lot of time. It's ok for any short tracks, but, as it was said before, UF1@AS5 will the the combo for patient racers.
It is ok to start quali from the pits, because this kind of start is more realistic. Just because quali is the thing from real life. But hotlapping is not real.

@tristancliffe: By the way, part of the skill is being able to control and heat your tyres prior to the hotlap, not just on the hotlap itself - By the way, you have 3(three!) hotlaps uploaded. But guys who have 20-50-100 hotlaps DO have this skill of contolling tyre temp. And I don't think they like it, because they wasted a lot of time on practicing this skill.

The thing I want to see is equalling the chances of all the drivers. If you choose tyre temp, you disable the advantage of races who is more patient and/or has more free time to spend on lfs. And the only thing that matters in this case - speed. You are faster means you get better lap. Nothing to add or discuss.
I see one more way to solve this problem: making Hotlap just "one lap single race". No matter what the tyre temp is, because all races are in same conditions, and, again, the only thing that matters in this case - speed. This will kill a lot of hotlapping's beauty but make this competition fair.
But if we want to see hotlapping attractive as before and completely fair, selecting tyre temp is perfect decision. And there will be no nesessity to change hotlapping start position in this case.

I DO agree with the idea of starting hotlap with already heated tyres. That'd save A LOT of time. Look at some KY1 replays. 5 minutes of tyre heating and 1 minute of driving. What is the competition? "Who has more patience to warm tyres perfectly"? Or "who can drive faster"? And there is absolutely no chance to show good time without hot tyres, so you have to spend this time. Not spend, waste. And there is no output of this. None of skills improving. Just boring porcedure. Mmmm.. Would you include washing dishes in "eating breakfast" simulator?

Quote from GeForz :

Why don't you just drive one lap and then the hotlap?

Look at the XRT@BL1 WR replay. This kind of tyre warming is almost impossible with new HLVC system. So hotlapper have to overheat tyres and then drive slow lap to achieve appropriate temperature. This is only one example.

And, as it was told later, many of the current WR's are not valid hotlaps according to new system. But they are valid according to the system i offered.

Quote from Scawen :

FIX : Reverse driving in hotlapping mode now invalidates HLVC

Is it possible to invalidate only the EXACT lap with reverse driving, but NOT the NEXT lap?
That will save the ability to warm up tyres freely, but cheater's hotlaps on 2-split tracks will be still impossible.

Is it possible to make server-list arrangeable not only by ping time, but also by server's name, track, number of online players etc.?

Join the request of loading reversed track by right click (or Shift+Click or whatever) in initial selecting.