Good point this - this has taken me quite some time to learn, but trying to keep alive on CD1 this is a necessity! Into the pins under hard braking and in traffic I usually try not to be fully on the racing line to be able to get out of the way of the guy coming flying in from behind.
Another good way to do it is simply always choose the inside line, even if you're not defending or if it's a little sower - but if the buy behind decided not to brake he flies off without taking you along.
If I don't know the driver behind me and can't get the inside cos he's squeezing or whatever I just brake early and try to get a clean turn. I never try to go round the outside or outbrake around the outside - you can only do that when you know the other guy will keep his car under control. In most cases you will be taken out.
The ones that do annoy me are the ones who follow me. I go off the racing line to avoid them. They follow me off the racing line and decide not to brake and ramm me off - and it's like: jeez man, I move out of the way to leave you all the room in the world and instead of taking it you follow me out of the way and stick your nose up my arse - doh!
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Personally I don't care what LFS looks like at all. If you have time to admire the scenery at 200mph you're not racing. It's the least important aspect of any racing game to me. I'd play LFS if it has SNES-like bitmap graphics .... never understood that. Some people actually judge the enitre game by how it looks. NFS id sooo much better cos it looks great - oh the humanity! 
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1) brake early - way eraly. As correclty said above, you need more distance AND you lose efficiency. You also lose stability into the turn, so u have to be a bit slower than usual into the turn.
2) Don't sit right behinf him, move a little to either side to see where you are on track
3) get a clean line It's better to come out clean than fly in, skid out.
49 Usually if you're that close the guy in front will be defending a little, so he won't have the perfect line into the turn. Don't attack, back off a little, get the clean entry and on exit you will be faster than him - so prepare the move for the next turn/straight. If you're not quicker on exit repeat next turn ... etc ...
4) kow the track - good drivers can race closely because they can do the track blindly. They don't need to "see" where they are and where they're going - they know! If you can't do the next turn blindly, then back off.
5) use the skidmarks on track - both the black grooves which are there and the marks which get laid down during the race - they help me tremendously in finding a clean line. Always drive half a car width inside the black groove (in an turn), then you catch the apex cleanly.
6) be patient - if the guy in front is fast enough for you not to fly past him you will be quicker following and waiting for the right moment then battling every single turn. Fighting each other slows you both down.
7) just cos u sit on his back doesn't mean you have a way past - so again: patience and clean driving, not 3 attempts per lap. Aggressive driving has it's place in a race bitin general, the smoother patient guys are the fastest.
8) if you really have trouble on a new track, swallow you're pride, press "4" to show the racing line, it does help tremendously when you can't do it blindly yet
On a general note one of the most annoying things in LFS are racers who think that just cos they're close they can overtake. So wrong. You can be close and 2 secs/lap faster and still not get past if the guy in front drives celanly and defensive. It doesn't help you to have smoking tires and be all over the guy in front all the time. Diving into each turn andtrying to overtake is not a sign of a fast driver, it's a sign of an immature driver who does not have confidence in his skills.
Isn't it amazing that people who are 4 secs/lap slower than you think they have anything to gain by diving into t1? That's not raicng, that's brain damaged kids. All you have to do is wait til they crash and drive past - lol
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2) Don't sit right behinf him, move a little to either side to see where you are on track
3) get a clean line It's better to come out clean than fly in, skid out.
49 Usually if you're that close the guy in front will be defending a little, so he won't have the perfect line into the turn. Don't attack, back off a little, get the clean entry and on exit you will be faster than him - so prepare the move for the next turn/straight. If you're not quicker on exit repeat next turn ... etc ...
4) kow the track - good drivers can race closely because they can do the track blindly. They don't need to "see" where they are and where they're going - they know! If you can't do the next turn blindly, then back off.
5) use the skidmarks on track - both the black grooves which are there and the marks which get laid down during the race - they help me tremendously in finding a clean line. Always drive half a car width inside the black groove (in an turn), then you catch the apex cleanly.
6) be patient - if the guy in front is fast enough for you not to fly past him you will be quicker following and waiting for the right moment then battling every single turn. Fighting each other slows you both down.
7) just cos u sit on his back doesn't mean you have a way past - so again: patience and clean driving, not 3 attempts per lap. Aggressive driving has it's place in a race bitin general, the smoother patient guys are the fastest.
8) if you really have trouble on a new track, swallow you're pride, press "4" to show the racing line, it does help tremendously when you can't do it blindly yet
On a general note one of the most annoying things in LFS are racers who think that just cos they're close they can overtake. So wrong. You can be close and 2 secs/lap faster and still not get past if the guy in front drives celanly and defensive. It doesn't help you to have smoking tires and be all over the guy in front all the time. Diving into each turn andtrying to overtake is not a sign of a fast driver, it's a sign of an immature driver who does not have confidence in his skills.
Isn't it amazing that people who are 4 secs/lap slower than you think they have anything to gain by diving into t1? That's not raicng, that's brain damaged kids. All you have to do is wait til they crash and drive past - lol
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He probably was - with Bread you never know, he has a dual personality disorder - lol
Anyways, no hard feelings here whatsoever, was just a bit surprised - but then we've been teammates for long enough for me to know that's he's completely utterly bonkers in the membrain
aceracer
Anyways, no hard feelings here whatsoever, was just a bit surprised - but then we've been teammates for long enough for me to know that's he's completely utterly bonkers in the membrain
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Erh, not at all! The league is over and the showdown race was invitation only - nothing to plug here, sorry Bread, but you read that completely wrong!
I've been pretty busy over a [SR], only that over the last week I prepared the [CD] showdown race - that's all I tried to say.
And no, [CD] 1 is busier than ever, if anything too busy, since CTRA has shut down.
So what's with the animosity? I can assure you that I have nothing but the greatest respect for [SR] and how they run their servers, and they know that. I'm not sure I get what you're trying to say...
aceracer
Hehe, hadn't seen this and was wondering why there was a GTI league but no FOX league!
It's all clear now
I'll be busier over on your servers again after the [CD] Skill League Final - at the mo I'm pretty busy getting used to full fuel load in the FZR - yuk!
aceracer
It's all clear now
I'll be busier over on your servers again after the [CD] Skill League Final - at the mo I'm pretty busy getting used to full fuel load in the FZR - yuk!
aceracer
Yes, you misunderstood : DO NOT blip. Off the throttle, no clutch, just hammer down the gears. (with auto clutch)
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Maybe I didn't set this up right (I followed one of the widely available PDF tutorials on how to set this up), I didn't spend too much time with it in any case - but the miss-shifts were like the clutch go stuck or sth. The engine would just rev up and the gear wouldn't drop in. Until I got it sorted I lost around .5 secs. And that happened every other lap.
Then there were others where it simply didn't shift, so I had to shift up 2 or 3 times. That was less of a time loss - but happened more frequently.
So in the end every time I shifted I worried more about whether the gear would actually drop in than where I was on track and what I was doing. Took all the pleasure out of racing, it was just a big pain in the neck - and that to gain a couple of tenths on one of the few laps it actually went well.
I found it absurd to use this. In any case, I get more pleasure out of winning races without exploit against drivers who do use the exploit then winning races with the exploit against people who don't - hehe
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As Duck said correctly, that's just cos most of us use auto clutch.
Also on our 6 lap stints, if you have the gear ratio right, you can flatshift the FZR all race long and the clutch won't heat. In fact you can do it up to 20 laps, from then on you need to be a bit more careful. So that's not cos we cheat either, that's just good gears setup
I think so too, the advantage comes from the fact the you get
a) ultra fast shifts
b) clutch heats a lot less, and since the shifts are so fast, it's like flatshifting throughout - in fact it's faster than flatshifting throughout!
I downloaded one of the macro for G25 and tried it on our combo. The advantage was quite noticeable to me. 1 kph more speed on straights, and as3 has a lot of straight! You do 1:40s without even trying. On a perfect hotlap I'd get 259kph up the back straight with a super exit out of the pin, with the macro I'd get it every time in race.
However I also found it to be completely unreliable. I could never do more than 2 laps without it missing gear at least once, usually it missed one every lap when upshifting. So I'm not sure how people do this to gain advantage, I lost more time than I gained with this - and that's a good thing!
Cheers
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Hehe, preselected, type:
!tr
when on server. You'll see how many races remaining on current track and which one will be next.
Tracklist? Almost every track in LFS it seems - lol Bar the tiny club/sprint ones... but it may just be that I simply wan't there when they were on.
@Turkey: that makes for good tactics - spin or get crashed, just make sure you finish 8th, lol
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!tr
when on server. You'll see how many races remaining on current track and which one will be next.
Tracklist? Almost every track in LFS it seems - lol
Bar the tiny club/sprint ones... but it may just be that I simply wan't there when they were on.@Turkey: that makes for good tactics - spin or get crashed, just make sure you finish 8th, lol
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Hmm, to me all this is a bit too much actually - probably it just makes me slower I could use the shifter on my G25 - it would be more realistic and more immersive. I do it sometimes for fun. But I lose a second/lap. Paddles are just quicker.
Same if I bounce around in some sort of sim machine reproducing gforces and god knows what. Sounds and looks like fun at first. Once I go a second/lap slower the fun would stop for me pretty quickly and I'd probably switch it off ... lol
I do use FFB even tho some say it makes you slower - I like it and it makes me feel more immersed, but I think that's about as far as I go...
Also imagine a 5 hour session in one of those things, I'd come out black and blue
aceracer
I could use the shifter on my G25 - it would be more realistic and more immersive. I do it sometimes for fun. But I lose a second/lap. Paddles are just quicker. Same if I bounce around in some sort of sim machine reproducing gforces and god knows what. Sounds and looks like fun at first. Once I go a second/lap slower the fun would stop for me pretty quickly and I'd probably switch it off ... lol
I do use FFB even tho some say it makes you slower - I like it and it makes me feel more immersed, but I think that's about as far as I go...
Also imagine a 5 hour session in one of those things, I'd come out black and blue
aceracer
To me setups make a huge difference. By now I know many cars and most tracks. And I know that once I'm comfortable with a car I can usually battle for the lead.
So when I come to a combo and I'm 2 secs down I ask for a set. Run a few laps with it, see how it reacts to how I drive. From there it's usually a few tweaks to make it do as I tell it to on track.
That always gets me competitive within 15 laps or so.
From there to getting within .5 secs of the WR for me is looooots of laps and looots of fine tuning. That's cos I'm no alien I guess
What helps me then is to spec the really fast guys. And then find a way to get the same corner speeds, braking points etc etc. That combined with knowing your style (for example I know that I usually drive smoother, I'm not an ultra late braker, I carry speed rather than on/off) helps you getting towards a set and a style round the track you can get very fast with.
But for that I need a fast set I'm 100% confident with - persoanlly I'm pretty set dependent. I won't go fast in a set I don't like. I know that some people go fast with whatever you throw at them...
aceracer
So when I come to a combo and I'm 2 secs down I ask for a set. Run a few laps with it, see how it reacts to how I drive. From there it's usually a few tweaks to make it do as I tell it to on track.
That always gets me competitive within 15 laps or so.
From there to getting within .5 secs of the WR for me is looooots of laps and looots of fine tuning. That's cos I'm no alien I guess
What helps me then is to spec the really fast guys. And then find a way to get the same corner speeds, braking points etc etc. That combined with knowing your style (for example I know that I usually drive smoother, I'm not an ultra late braker, I carry speed rather than on/off) helps you getting towards a set and a style round the track you can get very fast with.
But for that I need a fast set I'm 100% confident with - persoanlly I'm pretty set dependent. I won't go fast in a set I don't like. I know that some people go fast with whatever you throw at them...
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I guess some people get bored with things nd others don't
I've been driving around the same cart track all my life - still don't get bored of it - and I'm old, PCs didn't even exist when I started with that! So we're not even talking yars here, we're talking decades! I've also played Pac-Man all my life and still I'm not bored with it (ok I don't play every day anymore
)If I race someone the same speed as me I don't care where I race, it's the actual racing, hustling, drafting, outbraking I enjoy. Give me any car and track and give it to me every day of my life - I won't get bored of it.
aceracer
Fantastic racing last night - most fun I've had in ages, even more than with the TBOs lately, but maybe that's just cos I sux less at FOX, lol
One thing that I particularly enjoyed is the balance between r1s and r2s. I was on r2s all night. On all combos the balance was near perfect. R1s would go red for everybody second to last lap. On r2s you had to hang on to your life and defend like mad first 2 laps, but then come back strong and attack hard last 2 laps.
Soooo much fun! And so close almost every race, sometimes I would just get there to make a move for lead or podium on last lap, sometimes I would just not get there ... absolutely perfect!
Also like the rotation every 8 races. Enough to dig in, get warmed up and set some fast laps, not enough to get tired of a combo.
Great stuff. I wanted to just race for a bit and stayed for 5 hours til 5 am
aceracer <- triple espresso in hand
P.S.: did I get this right and top 10 were reverse order in subsequent race? Also enjoyed that, made for some great battles!
One thing that I particularly enjoyed is the balance between r1s and r2s. I was on r2s all night. On all combos the balance was near perfect. R1s would go red for everybody second to last lap. On r2s you had to hang on to your life and defend like mad first 2 laps, but then come back strong and attack hard last 2 laps.
Soooo much fun! And so close almost every race, sometimes I would just get there to make a move for lead or podium on last lap, sometimes I would just not get there ... absolutely perfect!
Also like the rotation every 8 races. Enough to dig in, get warmed up and set some fast laps, not enough to get tired of a combo.
Great stuff. I wanted to just race for a bit and stayed for 5 hours til 5 am
aceracer <- triple espresso in hand
P.S.: did I get this right and top 10 were reverse order in subsequent race? Also enjoyed that, made for some great battles!
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Hey, no offense here to anyone, I didn't mean to say that anyone wishing for a new track wasn't a serious racer or didn't have the right to speak.
Let me try an analogy. I used to play Pac-Man and Gyruss and Ghost and Goblins (and a few others) in the arcades. I would spend months, maybe years playing the same game over and over and over, perfecting it, getting hiscores, simply enjoying it.
These days I've been collecting arcade and console games for well over 15 years. I have over 40.000 of them.
So when I fire up the arcade machine, when there's friends over and a few beers, we play every game 5 mins. Then the next ... then the next ... and so on.
Fun? yeah! Necessary? No. If I just had a Galaga machine we'd have the same fun, we'd learn the game much better and we'd become much better at it. The experience would be much more intensive.
Maybe that makes sense to some - I understand that people look for new experiences.
Just tried to say: To me LFS has enough content right now to keep me going for years! No boredom in sight!
Cheers
aceracer
Let me try an analogy. I used to play Pac-Man and Gyruss and Ghost and Goblins (and a few others
) in the arcades. I would spend months, maybe years playing the same game over and over and over, perfecting it, getting hiscores, simply enjoying it.These days I've been collecting arcade and console games for well over 15 years. I have over 40.000 of them.
So when I fire up the arcade machine, when there's friends over and a few beers, we play every game 5 mins. Then the next ... then the next ... and so on.
Fun? yeah! Necessary? No. If I just had a Galaga machine we'd have the same fun, we'd learn the game much better and we'd become much better at it. The experience would be much more intensive.
Maybe that makes sense to some - I understand that people look for new experiences.
Just tried to say: To me LFS has enough content right now to keep me going for years! No boredom in sight!
Cheers
aceracer
I don't really understand how people can get bored with the content. Maybe I'm too old and slow, but I still haven't mastered any combo fully and I've been at this for 1.5 years now. Give me a car/track and 4 racers more or less my speed and I don't care where I race or how often I've done it.
So frankly, I think people just have short attention spans. I prefer to be good at 1 combo rather than crap at 15.
How many combos are you within .5 secs of the WR?
I think LFS is for dedicated racers. If you are 2 secs away from the WR and already looking for new tracks and cars maybe you're just not serious enough about it...
aceracer
P.S.: Yes I know this doesn't apply to everyone, and yes there are very very fast drivers out there who also get bored with LFS, but I would estimate that 90% is due to goldfishlike attention span with NFS tendencies
So frankly, I think people just have short attention spans. I prefer to be good at 1 combo rather than crap at 15.
How many combos are you within .5 secs of the WR?
I think LFS is for dedicated racers. If you are 2 secs away from the WR and already looking for new tracks and cars maybe you're just not serious enough about it...
aceracer
P.S.: Yes I know this doesn't apply to everyone, and yes there are very very fast drivers out there who also get bored with LFS, but I would estimate that 90% is due to goldfishlike attention span with NFS tendencies
Lol, fair enough - just let me know when you're in comunicado again
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Hey StableX...
...I replied to your last pm asking about languages but it won't let me send to you. It says you specified not to receive private messages.
Maybe you ticked that by mistake?
...or you just put me on your "spammer - ignore" list
Cheers
aceracer
Maybe you ticked that by mistake?
...or you just put me on your "spammer - ignore" list
Cheers
aceracer
I always look - makes up for half my crashes - lol
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Most of the races we do on pickup racing are sprint races. If on a 5 lap race I get the blue flag either my race is over in any case cos I've had a massive accident or I joined late - or I'm 20 secs a lap slower than everyone else.
In all of these cases I do move out of the way so that the car lapping me does not have to lift of for even a 10th of a second or alter its line even one inch - what could I possibly have to gain by no doing so?
I find it terribly narrow minded if people ask others to find a way arond them in a 5 lap sprint. It's different if we're talking about proper race distances - but in proper race distances it usually doesn't come down to a tenth or 2, in sprint races it does.
I do have a blue flag bind. I usually never use it. But if it gets really annoying I do, simply because when you message it makes a sound which may catch the newbie's attention. Blue Flag messages don't have to be spam, they can be nice. Mine has the word "please" in it
Also after I can say: You ignored the huge message on your screen, you ignored me asking politely. You have no manners - you're banned.
lol
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In all of these cases I do move out of the way so that the car lapping me does not have to lift of for even a 10th of a second or alter its line even one inch - what could I possibly have to gain by no doing so?
I find it terribly narrow minded if people ask others to find a way arond them in a 5 lap sprint. It's different if we're talking about proper race distances - but in proper race distances it usually doesn't come down to a tenth or 2, in sprint races it does.
I do have a blue flag bind. I usually never use it. But if it gets really annoying I do, simply because when you message it makes a sound which may catch the newbie's attention. Blue Flag messages don't have to be spam, they can be nice. Mine has the word "please" in it
Also after I can say: You ignored the huge message on your screen, you ignored me asking politely. You have no manners - you're banned.
lol
aceracer
Hmm, I don't really care whether you use a bind to swear or you just type it. Swear and you get the ban - no matter how you did it.
Then again, if you have a bind and abuse, you may get a longer ban - for being extra annoying
I always find it amazing how retards need to humiliate themselves publically by spamming abuse. The internet is supposed to be anonymous, everybody could pretend to be cool, rich and famous - yet it only takes about 30 secs with figure out who the tard is ... brilliant
aceracer
Then again, if you have a bind and abuse, you may get a longer ban - for being extra annoying
I always find it amazing how retards need to humiliate themselves publically by spamming abuse. The internet is supposed to be anonymous, everybody could pretend to be cool, rich and famous - yet it only takes about 30 secs with figure out who the tard is ... brilliant
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Of course it's not, that's why I posted it. Modelling is hugely more complex. The flower would just be the sticker on the rear of the car
I just tried to underline how work intensive any sort of graphic/design/modeling work is - even the most basic thing like drawing a simplified flower.Send me a pm if you're a fast modeler and interested, I'm always looking for that because I don't have the time to always model everything myself. Now that you spilled the beans I can expect super fast turnarounds
So if I ask a precise model of a car I can have it in days - and pay accordingly? That would be great!
In case you're trying to imply my inefficiency because of the Spanish flag in my sig: I'm actually German.
I just live in Spain - cos I can
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Umh, I think some of the posters here have absolutely 0 notion of how much work goes into a project like this.
I would actually say the contrary: If Eric does cars and tracks on his own it's an absolute miracle we get more than an update every 10 years!
It takes a team of designers wekks to corretly model a car. Then implement physics on top of that. Then create tracks - hell - just one car and one track would take me 5 years to do.
So everyone being funny here, here's a dare: you open up Photoshop and create an exact re-creation of this (attached image)
See how long that takes you.
And then consider that all you've done is paint a flower. Now multiply that time by 10.000 and you may have modeled a car. Then multiply by 100 and you may have made that car work in the physics environment.
Still think things take a long time?
aceracer
I would actually say the contrary: If Eric does cars and tracks on his own it's an absolute miracle we get more than an update every 10 years!
It takes a team of designers wekks to corretly model a car. Then implement physics on top of that. Then create tracks - hell - just one car and one track would take me 5 years to do.
So everyone being funny here, here's a dare: you open up Photoshop and create an exact re-creation of this (attached image)
See how long that takes you.
And then consider that all you've done is paint a flower. Now multiply that time by 10.000 and you may have modeled a car. Then multiply by 100 and you may have made that car work in the physics environment.
Still think things take a long time?
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Same here. exit pits, press and release pedals a couple of times and turn wheel entire radius - then exit pit. It's become routine by now... otherwise it goes nuts
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aeracer
Nice racing on your server last night, enjoyed that!
Would be nice if a TBO class server could stay for a while
US timezone is just perfect for me - I race late nights CET, so mostly with Yanks and Aussies
Don't you think all the report writing and checking is insane? If there's an admin on server, just get rid of the bad weed on the spot. If not have vote enabled and if there's a reasonable bunch of decent people on server problems take care of themselves. All the report verifying must be a nightmare and will surely burn you lot our in the long run...
Anyways, nice server and nice racing, thanks for that
aceracer
Would be nice if a TBO class server could stay for a while
US timezone is just perfect for me - I race late nights CET, so mostly with Yanks and Aussies
Don't you think all the report writing and checking is insane? If there's an admin on server, just get rid of the bad weed on the spot. If not have vote enabled and if there's a reasonable bunch of decent people on server problems take care of themselves. All the report verifying must be a nightmare and will surely burn you lot our in the long run...
Anyways, nice server and nice racing, thanks for that
aceracer
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