Its common even if you know the theory the real thing is totaly different.


Best way to start is this :

Take the race S set lower it a bit set full negative camber in the front , load car park and what you must try to do is doing a full wide circle drifting NOT DONATS. Once you are able to do a circle then you have to learn how to control how wide the circle will be with wheel and throttle , after that you can start on tracks by driving normal and just push the car a bit over the limit to initiate a slide by powerover and stop the slide by smoothly taking off your foot from the throttle...... and this is how it goes on

Practice practice practice DONT try to get extreme angle etc from the beggining this is the key Good luck

Quote from yeager :

nice prize and well done.

With regards to football, can you both please check between your legs and confirm you are indeed men? A man who has no passion for the greatest game in the world is in need of help.

bully

FFB in lfs depents on the setup too. Im changing lfs ffb on the fly with " < and >" in every set car so that i have the feeling i like most

Wheel + some realistic FFB prolly makes you slower from other players that doesnt use so strong ffb or not at all (mouse) Especialy in cars like FOX is you use Drivers ffb 100 and a nice let say 40-50 in game ffb one tap can take the wheel off your hands , plus if you wave your tale accidentaly wheel is very aggresive even if you do quite good and smooth throttle work.

I use about 35 in FOX but maybe lower at T1 when it going to be carnage .. Fox junkies u know....

Quote from The Very End :

There is nothing wrong with the server, the only problem is that when it's popular it attracts a lot of people who clearly canot drive at all, and they'll just wreckbomb you in T1

stfu you T1 rammor !!!

Quote from The Very End :

Shut up you imbeed dwarf... oh I forgot..we're of same blood.. well **** us!

Aha !! You again !!! dont make me post your replay

Quote from Jakg :

That video is really disoerientating

Yeap its about a statement that lfs drifting isnt like real life :P .Have nothing to do with the steering lock lets forget it

Quote from JeffR :

In the first run he doesn't exceed 90 degrees, and the hand brake is used for a much shorter period of time. Take a closer look at that video again.

This is a part of the Official d1gp round and i have the whole "race" or event call it as you like.....


But this isnt my point. My point is if we can replicate this one at lfs and most of us can easily understand that it is much easier with more steering lock a feature that will not do ANY HARM to the racing community ! right?

Im racing in lfs too (i like LR servers after the death of CTRA) and i barely use the half of steering lock , but when i drift i use it all the way and most of the times when trying something "good" i need to step off the gas and keep it at full lock sliding until it reduce the sliding angle and be "driftable" again..... IF only i had more steering angle !! then it will be a new potential for the drifting community and a hell lot of fun

We all want lfs to be better and better and im not a kid asking for bumbers stickers and the all good bunch of sh** things that makes "drifting" or call it this nice driving technic looks so childish

As for the guy that said that lfs isnt the same with real life sliding i managed to make a small vid that you can easily take a look that my handwork is exacly the same like in lfs .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW5MNBNsaLY

(The car is an almost stock silvia s14a)

The main differences between lfs and real life drifting is the bumps, g forces and the biggest one is FEAR once you are done with this handwork and footwork is almost the same

Keep it clean

Thank you

Last edited by ZzeCoOl, Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:03.

You made it more clear now

Thank you

Quote from The Very End :

LFS is about racing. Drifting is it's own sport, but please don't come here claiming drifting is racing. Racing is about beeing the fasts man on track, beeing able to react faster than anyone, beeing able to drive lap after lap on the limit and still not crash. Drifting is.. well it's own sport, I don't find it impressive. Sure, it takes some practise/car and probally tallent do drift, but I'd say a man that is good at racing is hell a lot more man than a man that is "good" at throwing his car around the corner.

That of course, is my opinion. I don't see the fuzz about drifting, everyone can do that. It just takes equiptment and time to get good at it, while racing is much more brutal and only some people are capable of beeing able to drive on the limit all the time and drive faster than anyone else.

Therfor, drifting, more lock or whatever that means drifting, please don't put that crap in LFS. Also we are perfectly fine with the XRT,FZ5 and the other cars, they drift more than good enough. The bigger lock will just make it more easier.. or should we say, newbie friendlier? :rolleyes:

Nahhh you made it once again...

About your "man part" lfs driving or even real life driving isnt something that can make you a man ...

As for our topic i respect your opinion but it is so clearly that you have a bad taste. If steering angle is what needed to make the 1/3 (1/3 for racing 1/3 for cruising) of the lfs owners happy i cant find a reason not to do it.Is it gonna be bad for the racing community? No for the cruising community neither... So?

Be open minded

I started my racing carrier from my early years with karting blah blah blah and today im on the administrating team of the biggest Car-racing club in Greece ( www.mycarclub.gr ) I love racing since i was a child but this isnt our point here not what makes a man (laughin....)

About you comment "drift : everyone can do that" thats right same goes for racing too but i cant compare those two both needs skills.

Let me give you a nice example of what is different from my point of view and my experience. In a Race (Racing) a small mistake can ve corrected through the next laps if you are good , in drifting a small mistake takes you out of the way. Imagine now how does it feels this for the driver and his team because they put the same efford like the racing teams.

Drift cars and race cars (not including GTR and custom race cars) are identical the main difference is on the suspension settings and alignment.

Quote :

The bigger lock will just make it more easier.. or should we say, newbie friendlier?

No it will not , it will just open a new potential on how realistic LFS will be comparing to the real life drifting (Even my car have better steering angle from the factory than XRT :P )


Thank you

Last edited by ZzeCoOl, Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:06.

Quote from senn :

it was removed, afaik, because real cars don't have that much lock (without some serious steering/suspension modifications, ie Competition Drift cars)

Not trying to flame, just inform.

I own a Nissan Silvia s14a and the default steering angle of the leading wheel is 45 degrees

Dont tell me that my car isnt real

Thank you

Quote from The Stig PL :

again...

no. we don't need bigger steerig angle.

Steering angle was removed ages ago , yes that is right but do you know the reason ???

LFS physics have nothing to do with the physics that lfs had back then.


But please dont turn the topic to a flame war steering angle was not what i wanted to show here (not only steering angle)

LFS is about replicate real life physics and this is how developers advertise it.

Keep it clean

Thank you

Im wondering if this can be done in lfs some day

Dont start the drift war-flame just take a look from physics perspective

Thanks


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBSVqOc-CN4

Respect Kawabata

sandersman2000 allready covered most of my thoughts about what to write in this post, so im gonna continue from where he stoped.

My real name is Akis im 28 and im living in Greece. My everyday car is a Silvia s14a which is mostly tuned in suspension and alignment than power and i have a quite good experience in drifting this specific car .What i can say from my experience is that LFS simulates my real life steering wheel at 90 % and im saying my steering wheel cause you cant feel the forces smells or hear sounds and everything that allready said before while playing lfs. What im usuing is 102% force feedback in drivers ( dont ask me about 102 its done the first time and left there :P 100 must be good to ) and all the other settings are as scawen said and 35 % FF in game for the XRT and 45 % in game for the XFG when racing on CTRA =) (There is a settings guide for g25 somewhere in the main page i think from where i found them too).

I cant speak about the single seaters cause i dont have any experience on them but what i can say especialy for the guys that dont own a car for every reason, is that lfs is so close to the real thing that when i play for some time im getting so adrenalin high that im going out for a ride with my car and when im back to home after all the drifting, i have the need to play again without have the feeling of "pff its just a game" but having the feeling of riding an almost real car thats gives me more than i ever thought a computer "game" will.

At this point i want to add something about the ppl speaking about improvement suggestion , first lets speak about rain.

Rain : In lfs drifting you can have the same exacly feeling of real life drifting on wet when you have your tires super heated lets say 150 temp + until 190 plus something where you pop them , i know that you front tires is not the same but the general feeling is the same

And lastly i want to speak about the only thing that bothers me with my real computer life car :P the XRT, the steering angle of the XRT is way smaller than my real lifes car even in stock form , and this is the only thing that hold me back from driving the XRT almost the same way i drive my real car cause in lfs if i get a quite good drift angle most of the times even though im in full lock i cant continue my slide ending in spin ( especialy with overheated tires ) or i can take my foot of the throttle and wait for my car to come back while losing speed exacly the opposite of what happening in real life where even if i got a quite big angle i can still have my throttle down and control my car with my steering wheel. I think steering angle is something that my XRT really needs


All my post is about my real life drifting experience and im not gonna answer to any post saying that lfs is for racing only etc. Both racing and Drifting can give you the thrill of doing something very exciting with your car

A knife can be used for slicing the bread ... some they use it to kill

Last edited by ZzeCoOl, Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:20.

Quote from dougie-lampkin :

Yes, I am a very poor drifter. Primarily because I think it's pointless, so I've never done it



BTW, that UF1 vid is using tweak to make it RWD. Just look at the skidmarks...

You are an ignorant perk , all you have to do if press "F" while watching the replay to see that the car isnt RWD

Plz tell me how do you feel now ?

Quote from Zen321 :

Is there any sense in your sentence at all ?
I'm sorry, but you are the headless chicken here. What's the point between 4 wheel drift is false and they don't have huge angles in D1GP?

Look at LeMans races under rain, you'll see that their four wheel lose grip after the apex of the hairpin and they get an angle of about 7-8° through it.
The basic idea of the 4 wheel drift is : oversteer-->understeer (like grip) : you progressively lose grip of the rear wheels at the beginning of the corner till the apex, then you reaccelerate and progressively lose the grip of the front wheels while progressively regaining it at the rear wheels.

In theory simple as ABC, in real condition, it requires some guts and skills to do it.
And this is fastest. to say in a universe you can understand, look at Saiko D's setups. They are the best drift team ever and their setup are really understeery under acceleration, which makes them go faster while still sideways.

So don't be rude unless you have the elements to counter the point of any guy. It just makes you appear as an ignorant preck.

Every drift set feels understeery on normal driving not only Saiko D's sets and this is the result of excessive negative camber that makes the tire to have the best surface contact at about the half way to the full lock , and this isnt about going faster but to have a sharp steering control under countersteering contitions

(there are other factors too (suspension) , that makes a car understeery , but when we are speaking about drift sets this is the most common)

Quote from CobraDrifter :

No,you can't drift the UF1.You can only oversteer using weight transfer and you can't link corners and drift smoothly with an FWD car that doesnt even have power to do it.

Why do you speak when you dont even saw the replay.

I was really surprised of how well he manage to link the corners with the uf1 , he is using a strange setup yes but after all their are doing it for fun and when something looks so close to real thing its ok + it need some skill to manage to do something that the car isnt supose to

Quote from richo :

S3 will be out just after Duke Nukem Forever,

Cant wait to play it on a 9900000GTX @44080x25040 on my new Dell 195" Neural interface Monitor.

Lame jokes aside, when its done...

roflessssssss =)

ps: Bob Whats is the best FoV for this resolution please????

Quote from Luke.S :

i found a leaked screen shot of s3 look.

mods this is my april fools gag

you suck

+ your image processing skills sucks too

Quote from xaotik :

Σόρρυ amigo Greeko but that's ad hoc rationalization. Greeks had nothing to do with aluminium, aluminum, or alumium or it's naming. Closest to aluminium Greeks ever came to was σχιστός which is some form of sulfate I think and I also think that "alum" is actually latin in origin as a word and refers to the same or similar sulfate.

Actually you was right my bad

Take a look here :P Greeks came closer than σχιστός

http://www.areopagus.net/grkelements.htm

Quote from Tweaker :

Not at all, and I was quite thrilled to see such a stubborn remark to a suggestion we could've had 5 years ago.


Being such a regular around here, I'd think you'd know by now that what Eric has to work on has nothing to do with priority of developing physics. Scawen does the physics, how on earth does Eric's work interfere with that or delay anything? Physics don't need to be done first, they can be done at the same time as what Eric is doing. I really don't understand why people think these things need to be taking turns, and somehow think Eric shouldn't be doing his job while Scawen does his. Which is pretty much just what you've asked for, a 1 man dev team, fantastic.

rampage

+1

Quote from tristancliffe :

I nearly used aluminium as an example, but the original spelling was in fact aluminum. It was later changed to ...ium to stick with the other elements/metals that also end in ium.

So, technically speaking, aluminum is the original and correct way of spelling it, and aluminium is one of the few examples where England has bastardised (...ized?) an American word

ehmmm,

An "American word" !!! Αλουμίνιο (Greek) = Alouminio (Greeklish) = Aluminium

λ = l
μ = m
v = n

If you want to find the History of the words study Greek

Last edited by ZzeCoOl, Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:55.

Quote from Gekkibi :

I have a better solution:
Subharmonic prosessor what copies certain frequencies to 1..n octaves below. Then, use equalizer to cut everything else by at least -20dB. Connect your massive subwoofers to 2+kW amplifier and voi'la, problem solved.

DBdrag whore :P ( just kidding )

Quote from rainspecialist :

Hi guys its me again and i just want to say that i think its possible to drift an xfg/FF because as proof i have a video attached. I know many threads have been started about ff drifting before. I dont want any fights i just want to know if you think this video is FF drifting or not. Also as you can see in the video i start sliding with the brakes and end sliding at the end of the corner not the middle im sure with practice it can be much better

in the video:
i have normal tires with regular pressure
brake balance 74%
and everything else is stock
also if you watch i never use the e-brake i just use feint and braking drift

This isnt drifting at all , what i saw is an xfg with oversteering setup that cant take a clean drift around a corner ( you are ending the slide in the apex of the corner.. cause you are sliding and simultaneus braking-losing speed , exacly the opposite of what drifting is )

Plus you cant link non of the corners you just oversteers here and there ......

Quote from AW06 :

Its Live For Speed, not Live For Drift, its a racing sim not a drift sim!!

moron .-

Quote from Victor :

looks like the domain name expired even.

there will be more country focussed features in the next lfsworld, but it'll still be a while before that becomes available.

Devs are ALIVE !!!!!!!!!