Was just in the FBM server and was banned by an admin with no excuse given. It was the start of the race, and I was trying to get a jump into corner one. Got put into a disappearing wedge and was booted into the grass and auto spectated. Next thing I know I'm banned. Replay is attached. I'm racing under loserwill
Well Flip if you don't really care about what have to say on the matter it saves me the time of showing you the screenshots that I believe prove my point. Agree to disagree.
In any case, has there been a ruling on this?
In any case, has there been a ruling on this?
First, I'm sorry Stoney. Your name comes up with the emails so I didn't know there was an issue posting it. You have my apologies and an edit to take care of the problem.
I appreciate your candor, and I think you finally understand me. Racealliance is a mediation service. You mediated against my favor for the racing incidents. Thats life. Whether they are good calls or bad calls is irrelevant. That is why I didn't put in an appeal for either of them. The fact that the call was made is good enough for me, regardless of my opinion of them. You hit the nail on the head when you said it was about the post race procedure. I just feel robbed when I get penalized for something that wasn't really communicated to me. I only ask that whatever your post race procedure is it should be in the rules so that there is no misconception. I didn't really understand what you meant when you were speaking for changing things back to the first to sessions; I didn't even know there was a change. I may seem difficult but in reality I just fight for things that I don't think are justified. Lastly, this is a fun series and if it really irked me so bad about the judgments and the people I was racing with I wouldn't come back. But I do, so I give you my graciousness and respect that you take your time to run this series.
Flip,
I'm not taking this personally. I'm sure you are a pretty nice guy in life but I think that your maturity level is lacking. Your opinion of me really doesn't bother me. The fact that you can't look at these incidents that we've had from a purely analytical sense perplexes me. In any case, despite your general misgivings I will give you my best attempt at a reasonable explaination. You say that I'm stupid for expecting you to save yourself from a bad situation that you put yourself in. I guess I don't really understand why I would be the stupid one in that equation. You attempt an outside pass that can't work and drive off track in the pit exit area; yet you expect me to react to that lunacy? I didn't put your wheels in grass and you certainly had more than enough time to realize that your so called pass was doomed. As for the most recent race, I thought I gave you enough room to let you pass. I certainly tried. This computer simulation is difficult because it isn't very good for distance perception. If the replay comes up and there isnt a car length there, I will gladly take any penalty I get.
Back to Stoney: Trying to give you room. I just scrubed the wall. Thats a hard turn to take flat out on the inside so I was giving you as much room as I could.
I appreciate your candor, and I think you finally understand me. Racealliance is a mediation service. You mediated against my favor for the racing incidents. Thats life. Whether they are good calls or bad calls is irrelevant. That is why I didn't put in an appeal for either of them. The fact that the call was made is good enough for me, regardless of my opinion of them. You hit the nail on the head when you said it was about the post race procedure. I just feel robbed when I get penalized for something that wasn't really communicated to me. I only ask that whatever your post race procedure is it should be in the rules so that there is no misconception. I didn't really understand what you meant when you were speaking for changing things back to the first to sessions; I didn't even know there was a change. I may seem difficult but in reality I just fight for things that I don't think are justified. Lastly, this is a fun series and if it really irked me so bad about the judgments and the people I was racing with I wouldn't come back. But I do, so I give you my graciousness and respect that you take your time to run this series.
Flip,
I'm not taking this personally. I'm sure you are a pretty nice guy in life but I think that your maturity level is lacking. Your opinion of me really doesn't bother me. The fact that you can't look at these incidents that we've had from a purely analytical sense perplexes me. In any case, despite your general misgivings I will give you my best attempt at a reasonable explaination. You say that I'm stupid for expecting you to save yourself from a bad situation that you put yourself in. I guess I don't really understand why I would be the stupid one in that equation. You attempt an outside pass that can't work and drive off track in the pit exit area; yet you expect me to react to that lunacy? I didn't put your wheels in grass and you certainly had more than enough time to realize that your so called pass was doomed. As for the most recent race, I thought I gave you enough room to let you pass. I certainly tried. This computer simulation is difficult because it isn't very good for distance perception. If the replay comes up and there isnt a car length there, I will gladly take any penalty I get.
Back to Stoney: Trying to give you room. I just scrubed the wall. Thats a hard turn to take flat out on the inside so I was giving you as much room as I could.
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Haha, well apparently I need to do more explaining.
Apparently I didn't get all of what I wanted to say in here. IGTC is the top series in the land of LFS. They have a huge rule list because they want everything to have a clear and definitve place in the rules in order to make everyone happy. If I had read the rules the first day, which I did, and it stated end of race procedures we wouldn't be having this problem. I bring up IGTC because they are a great example of how to run a series.
I attended the first session and was never told nor briefed of end race procedures. I was just asked if I had read the rules (ironic). That race, I speced out after the race was over. No one had a problem. No one mentioned it. Then when I make it to the podium I do the same thing and it becomes an issue. I don't sit around after the race looking at cars. I'm adjusting the setup. I don't have a lot of time in the week to practice so that is why my first race is usually my worst. So I miss a lot of the post race stuff for the first race. I think Stoney, that you really misrepresent my position on this. I think you feel like you told me about end race procedure. You didn't. Now I know, and I follow that procedure. I'm not a rule breaker by nature.
Anything I write is my opinion, unless I give a source.
It's really simple. Name removed (edit: sorry!) (Stoney) owns racealliance.com. Thats you guys (drivenbypassion). This is by nature a conflict of interest. The fact that you keep the ajudicators anonymous is ever MORE suspect. It's very much like Dick Cheney and Haliburton. He doesn't own any part of the company right now but people still think he is getting something because he used to be the CEO. In this case, this is such a massive conflict of interest and it is so easily solved by using a mediation service that is completely unrelated to dbp or racesim or you. As for you (Stoney) saying in a previous post that you just own the site and that its an ex-racer judging staff; I just don't believe you.
How is this inconsistent. I can give room to someone who runs wide and forces me off. The simple truth of this one is that Stoney went in too hot. He had a good jump on me after the chicane I came out of a slid in the middle of the race track and stoney went to the inside. I used my one blocking maneuver and kept him on the inside. We ran close. There was contact initially (my fault) there was contact again at the kink in the straight (no ones fault due to the fact that I held in the middle of the track and Stoney thought I was going to head to the outside). We reached the braking zone of turn 3 and Stoney moved back in behind me and we started breaking. I started breaking earlier at this point because I thought Stoney was still on the inside going for the pass. I was planning on doing the old under over move if he got ahead. When I started to brake Stoney took the opportunity for the pass and moved for the inside. We both apex with no problem but on the way out Stoney understeers due to excess speed and he pushes me wide. On the whole it was a great passing attempt and it was exciting to watch even on the replay. Had it been cleanly done I'm sure Stoney could use it to pick up girls because it was so sexy. The fact remains though, that Stoney had room to make the pass, but just didn't brake enough.
I can sympithize with you on this Flip. You really think that pass is a pass. You tried another very similiar "pass" in yesterday's race. My opinion on it is this: stop trying to set yourself up on the outside of turns that are a world away.
Flip you catch a draft on me at the start. You go way into the pit exit zone thats technically off track. You make contact with me. I see you and wonder what you are trying to do out there. I keep driving. You push to get side by side but never really do. You run out of pit exit paved area and you have grass ahead of you. You make a split second desicion to jump back on the track. Your front right tire contacts my back left. You go off. Then ironically you never even think about hitting your brakes until you are into the cone things at pit out. You are still going for it. If you had tried to correct you might not have lost a position at all.
Lets say there was room for you on the outside. You and I would have gone into turns one and two at which point you either would be off the track at the exit of one or just barely holding on. Then you have a choice in 2 to set for three. You either brake before 2 inorder to get a good run at the straight after 3 or you throw caution to the wind and try and complete the pass before you enter 3. If you brake before 2 I get ahead of you for 3 and its a fight down the straight to pass in turn 4. If you go for it you either run into the tires at apex of 3 or I just repass you on the outside because my jump is so much better than yours. That is what would have happened.
In regards to yesterdays race, I tried to give you room. I still don't understand why would try and make that pass at the narrowest point on the track. We will see whats going on when that replay comes out.
As for my being a "lower form of life", think what you want. Racing isn't personal.
I know where I went wrong Pantera. In most cases it isn't thought of because most of my mistakes are small ones. You give me a situation where I delibrately wreck anyone and I'll eat some humble pie right here for all of you. These two reports mostly focus on people getting around me and not doing it the right way. These are situations outside of my control. I am not going to give my position away. I drive a wide car. The difference is that in LFS you can make stupid attempts that you would never try in real life. When I race I've been in situations like that and the drivers make the right decisions because the car is at stake. Stoney's incident was different because I think anyone would have tried that so I definitely don't care about that one, but in regards to Flip: he wouldn't try that move on a real circuit. I try and race in LFS like I race in real life (albeit I have a lot more planning and practice time in real life) I don't make gung ho video game passes. I dont risk the car to go as fast as I can possibly go in a race. That's a big reason why im in 4th or 5th most of the time.
As for my comments on Monico; you have taken these out of context. It's an example of a closed track with cars on it that would be allowed to WD. Yes, I realize there is a gargantuan difference between FIA and F500.
Ironically the terms of running in this league were reading the rules that the end race procedures weren't in.
In closing, I feel completely justified in my actions in the 3rd round. If its not universally recieved thats fine by me. Then my appeal goes away. Dazza, you and I haven't raced side by side yet but if we do I'm sure you will find that if you make realistic decisions we won't have any problems at all.
Apparently I didn't get all of what I wanted to say in here. IGTC is the top series in the land of LFS. They have a huge rule list because they want everything to have a clear and definitve place in the rules in order to make everyone happy. If I had read the rules the first day, which I did, and it stated end of race procedures we wouldn't be having this problem. I bring up IGTC because they are a great example of how to run a series.
I attended the first session and was never told nor briefed of end race procedures. I was just asked if I had read the rules (ironic). That race, I speced out after the race was over. No one had a problem. No one mentioned it. Then when I make it to the podium I do the same thing and it becomes an issue. I don't sit around after the race looking at cars. I'm adjusting the setup. I don't have a lot of time in the week to practice so that is why my first race is usually my worst. So I miss a lot of the post race stuff for the first race. I think Stoney, that you really misrepresent my position on this. I think you feel like you told me about end race procedure. You didn't. Now I know, and I follow that procedure. I'm not a rule breaker by nature.
Anything I write is my opinion, unless I give a source.
It's really simple. Name removed (edit: sorry!) (Stoney) owns racealliance.com. Thats you guys (drivenbypassion). This is by nature a conflict of interest. The fact that you keep the ajudicators anonymous is ever MORE suspect. It's very much like Dick Cheney and Haliburton. He doesn't own any part of the company right now but people still think he is getting something because he used to be the CEO. In this case, this is such a massive conflict of interest and it is so easily solved by using a mediation service that is completely unrelated to dbp or racesim or you. As for you (Stoney) saying in a previous post that you just own the site and that its an ex-racer judging staff; I just don't believe you.
How is this inconsistent. I can give room to someone who runs wide and forces me off. The simple truth of this one is that Stoney went in too hot. He had a good jump on me after the chicane I came out of a slid in the middle of the race track and stoney went to the inside. I used my one blocking maneuver and kept him on the inside. We ran close. There was contact initially (my fault) there was contact again at the kink in the straight (no ones fault due to the fact that I held in the middle of the track and Stoney thought I was going to head to the outside). We reached the braking zone of turn 3 and Stoney moved back in behind me and we started breaking. I started breaking earlier at this point because I thought Stoney was still on the inside going for the pass. I was planning on doing the old under over move if he got ahead. When I started to brake Stoney took the opportunity for the pass and moved for the inside. We both apex with no problem but on the way out Stoney understeers due to excess speed and he pushes me wide. On the whole it was a great passing attempt and it was exciting to watch even on the replay. Had it been cleanly done I'm sure Stoney could use it to pick up girls because it was so sexy. The fact remains though, that Stoney had room to make the pass, but just didn't brake enough.
I can sympithize with you on this Flip. You really think that pass is a pass. You tried another very similiar "pass" in yesterday's race. My opinion on it is this: stop trying to set yourself up on the outside of turns that are a world away.
Flip you catch a draft on me at the start. You go way into the pit exit zone thats technically off track. You make contact with me. I see you and wonder what you are trying to do out there. I keep driving. You push to get side by side but never really do. You run out of pit exit paved area and you have grass ahead of you. You make a split second desicion to jump back on the track. Your front right tire contacts my back left. You go off. Then ironically you never even think about hitting your brakes until you are into the cone things at pit out. You are still going for it. If you had tried to correct you might not have lost a position at all.
Lets say there was room for you on the outside. You and I would have gone into turns one and two at which point you either would be off the track at the exit of one or just barely holding on. Then you have a choice in 2 to set for three. You either brake before 2 inorder to get a good run at the straight after 3 or you throw caution to the wind and try and complete the pass before you enter 3. If you brake before 2 I get ahead of you for 3 and its a fight down the straight to pass in turn 4. If you go for it you either run into the tires at apex of 3 or I just repass you on the outside because my jump is so much better than yours. That is what would have happened.
In regards to yesterdays race, I tried to give you room. I still don't understand why would try and make that pass at the narrowest point on the track. We will see whats going on when that replay comes out.
As for my being a "lower form of life", think what you want. Racing isn't personal.
I know where I went wrong Pantera. In most cases it isn't thought of because most of my mistakes are small ones. You give me a situation where I delibrately wreck anyone and I'll eat some humble pie right here for all of you. These two reports mostly focus on people getting around me and not doing it the right way. These are situations outside of my control. I am not going to give my position away. I drive a wide car. The difference is that in LFS you can make stupid attempts that you would never try in real life. When I race I've been in situations like that and the drivers make the right decisions because the car is at stake. Stoney's incident was different because I think anyone would have tried that so I definitely don't care about that one, but in regards to Flip: he wouldn't try that move on a real circuit. I try and race in LFS like I race in real life (albeit I have a lot more planning and practice time in real life) I don't make gung ho video game passes. I dont risk the car to go as fast as I can possibly go in a race. That's a big reason why im in 4th or 5th most of the time.
As for my comments on Monico; you have taken these out of context. It's an example of a closed track with cars on it that would be allowed to WD. Yes, I realize there is a gargantuan difference between FIA and F500.
Ironically the terms of running in this league were reading the rules that the end race procedures weren't in.
In closing, I feel completely justified in my actions in the 3rd round. If its not universally recieved thats fine by me. Then my appeal goes away. Dazza, you and I haven't raced side by side yet but if we do I'm sure you will find that if you make realistic decisions we won't have any problems at all.
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Stoney,
You should have an appeal coming in on racealliance. It 404's me after I submit it but I think all 7 times I tried it went through last time, so I'm looking for confirmation here. I don't ask for much, so please don't pass over it and just throw it out.
Also, I'd like to point out that there is a HUGE conflict of interest in you being the reportee and the judge with racealliance. If you are going to be running in this series in the future, I think it is important that you find a third party mediation service.
Race 3 left a very bad taste in my mouth, as I felt that you catered to your team in your decision making process. As you can see though, I'm still here and racing and that is because I think you have a good thing here. It needs to be polished a bit; and that shows, but I enjoy racing with everyone in the series so far (even though this race you were rather cold with your responses to fairly simple inquiries).
In conclusion, really take a look at the appeal. It's a fair deal. And please please please update your information into one spot. Having to go to email, the forum, and racesim to find information is trying at best.
You should have an appeal coming in on racealliance. It 404's me after I submit it but I think all 7 times I tried it went through last time, so I'm looking for confirmation here. I don't ask for much, so please don't pass over it and just throw it out.
Also, I'd like to point out that there is a HUGE conflict of interest in you being the reportee and the judge with racealliance. If you are going to be running in this series in the future, I think it is important that you find a third party mediation service.
Race 3 left a very bad taste in my mouth, as I felt that you catered to your team in your decision making process. As you can see though, I'm still here and racing and that is because I think you have a good thing here. It needs to be polished a bit; and that shows, but I enjoy racing with everyone in the series so far (even though this race you were rather cold with your responses to fairly simple inquiries).
In conclusion, really take a look at the appeal. It's a fair deal. And please please please update your information into one spot. Having to go to email, the forum, and racesim to find information is trying at best.
An appeal process. Thats kind of funky. Especially the complete bias issued in those verdicts.
RaceAlliance
RaceAlliance appears to be down. Any news on this?
The server spammed me to pit at the end of race when I completed a lap so I followed its directive. No where did it say, go to the start finish line if you are on the podium. Thats absurd that you would just assume people would do that.
Counter report coming.
Post race procedure? Where in the regulations is there even a post race procedure section? If you are going to have a rule like this there needs to be a way to make sure all drivers are informed of it.
5.2 When overtaking into corners, the overtaking driver must have half of their car half way along the drivers door to be considered to have “overlap” for the corner. At which point, the driver being overtaken must leave sufficient room for the passing driver to try and make the pass.
10.1 The driver behind has the responsibility of not running into the back of the car in front. Bump drafting is NOT permitted.
Slipstreaming is a perfectly acceptable racing move.
10.1 The driver behind has the responsibility of not running into the back of the car in front. Bump drafting is NOT permitted.
Slipstreaming is a perfectly acceptable racing move.
Protest and Reports...
Regulations say to use "League Processes" but there is nothing on the current website: racesim.co.uk
Please clarify this process and it appears there are several unhappy drivers.
Please clarify this process and it appears there are several unhappy drivers.
Can't register..
Trying to register my friend to the LFS site so he can put in his voucher but the registration email hasn't shown up to 3 different email addresses. Is the master server down or is there something you guys can do to assess the problem? Thanks in advanced:
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