i like how long this layout is, but its a very low speed drift course. still love the track!

@troy no power saving feature kicks in i guarantee you that. its the game.

Regarding frame rates, i run a laptop with nvidia 670mx 3gb GDDR5 and i7 3630qm and 16gb 1600mhz ram. when running games i have performance and battery settings for performance, so i got:

110fps with patch F
120fps with patch F2.

HOWEVER. after prolonged running of LFS, i.e. above 5 hours give or take, framerate drops to 45fps. obviously i can fix this by restarting LFS, but that's not the point here. after this point, it randomly decides to run at 45fps or 120fps. and its a minimum of 5 mins while switching back and forth. i've noticed that this happens even more frequently when i run LFS between 5 and 9 hours. after 12 hours however, problems go away. AFAIK.


this be my report for your test patch scawen

here's my set for a xrg, i use it on KbStabilised, and on cold tyres pretty easy to control and when it goes to hot, then u start to need skill. style drifting change tyres to knobs, speed drifting change to tyres to norms is my recommendation.

Quote from Gunn :

Stop spamming this thread. If you are not testing this patch and have no feedback related to testing this patch then don't post here. Like the rest of the world, the Devs like to take a break at this time of year (although Scawen has obviously found some time to work even through Christmas).
This is not an offical patch it is a test patch. If you don't like it - don't use it, wait for the offical patch instead.
If you have a request that is not related to this test patch, post it in the proper forum.
Thanks.

heyheyhey, im using z10 and i just cant find anymore bugs, theres just FZ5 locking up under abs, ive said so in another post sumwhere but there hasnt been another patch for about a month or so now, which didint happen with patch Y or even as old as X so im just wondering wat keeping them you know?

observing FZ5 locks up under ABS is my feedback so please, dont start rampaging on just 1 post.

Last edited by ShUckErU, Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:09. Reason : more to say

Quote from 510N3D :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1036158#post1036158

:shhh:

he said ON a friday. which means it could be any friday of the month, or even year. so technically, you can ignore that

Quote from Shadowww :

And, you said you included only demo files in it... But i see a lot of S2 files.

no we didnt. we never said that we would do a demo version. that was jakg. and jamesisinthehouse12 said that hes working on it, not that hes done it. i guess he's tight on time, might be busy with other stuff. we said we would include the S2 content in this release. ill sum up what we did in this release so far.

1.quicker extraction
2.put a gui in there
3.make it bigger (i really dont like this part)
4.enable automatic directory.

right now im working on point 3. even i dont like the fact that it is bigger. and besides, 7zip is much harder to use. from what ive read of 7zip, putting options at max doesnt give you the maximum that 7zip can compress. you have to use the right switches with the max options to get the best 7zip can do. which atm i dont know which switches and etc they are. so right now im in trial and error testing.

Last edited by ShUckErU, Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:51.

FYI ppl links are now active

one of the best clubs to make famous now isnt it?

im all for it IN

Quote from STF :

Why do i have the impression that you`re only complicating things? I mean, what`s the purpose?
Tell me where is this "portability". I could as well have the 7z exe from official website stored on my thumb drive. 30mb bigger? ok. 15 seconds slower? WHO CARES. I mean... I could spend that time scratchin` ma ballz instead of doing half a lap.. but wouldn`t be a problem you kno` (random numbers BTW, but you get the point).
And we`re talking here about "stock" lfs.
On the other hand, if you would include all teaminferno, and/or setupgrid hotlap setups.. And all the WR replays from lfsworld.net.. that would be something special/worth downloading.
Skins can be downloaded automaticly, but setups and replays.. not.. but..

like i said b4 if u didnt read my post, we are working towards making this LFSP better. 1stly we want to decrease the file size, then we may work to include those suggestions u gave (pretty good 1's IMO). file size is the most biggest thing for us now.

p.s. if any1 noes how to use 7zip PROPERLY and is able to do switches and all that gear or you know a better compressor, could you please post them? or send me a PM

Quote from Jakg :

But your not using WinRAR or 7-Zip - your using a program that gives you an option to pick a folder, and an extract button - wtf is the difference?

I haven't made a "constructive suggestion" because in all honesty it's a useless application - it replicates exactly what the LFS one does, but with a shiny picture - that's the exact opposite of what LFS is going for...

for the record, i am using winrar. im able to make it look like that because i know how and because i can.

Quote :

wtf is the difference?

i dont understand wat that has to do with winrar or 7zip.

and ill say this to you, and with all respect to your opinion, this is the first attempt we have made to making LFSP. so no matter how bad it might be now, we WANT to improve it in the near future, and i can safely say that we just might be able to do something that will make it literally portable. with no scripting knowledge whatsoever i will say that having read compression utilities' comparisons and how-to-use guides for the utilities, it is tedious job and what i need is time to be able to digest all these information. you try going read the 7zip guide http://7zsfx.solta.ru/en/. just look at the sheer amount of information there is. and thats just 1 compressor. for me right now i am very familiar with winrar. not so with 7zip. if u can do the same thing we have done, but smaller sized, and smaller than official (this means FULL LFS compressed), because what you have said so far has not helped 1 bit to advance this release i want your help and you're welcome to make your nxt post, otherwise, please just lay off the thread

i think this is a good idea but have some servers also have the option of on and off damage in multiplayer. kinda like leagues. IF in multi. for single it will be cool for the noobs starting out. ive let 1 of my friends play this on 1 occasion and he cldnt stop crashing. pretty bad 1st impression for him, he never touched the game again.

technically what i think about having an auto is the way it performs. like say the game was able to perform auto trans as in real life, no one will have a problem with racing with it. in fact i think it will make racers faster, especially those using a wheel and pedals. not that you would want to with those but just that you can. and auto trans in real life is pretty dynamic in shifting gears depending on how much you put your foot down. so an auto trans just like in real life would be cool, to suit everyone. dynamic shifting (optimum shift point dependent on acceleration) i call it. so you can cruise race or w/e u wanna do

alright jakg i've had just about enuf of your complaining. now ill repeat this:
if u can help us in making lfsp even better,we will appreciate your help and will credit you if we used you suggestions. other than that i dont want any nonconstructive posts about lfsp. u dont like it, dont use it. but if u want to help us, we welcome you.

and for the record, 7zip is slower than winrar. and i like to use winrar because I like it better and further more I know how to use it properly.

Quote from Jakg :

So? All you need is an extract and a location...

i made it this way (extracting to temp automatically) because in my situation, this is more time saving. my thumbdrive somehow always manages to roam around the classroom and i dont want to have to yell out what to do to extract it to those nooobs who want to play anyway in front of the teacher and getting caught. it is originally to suit my purpose.

if u got a better idea on how it should perform then tell me instead of just arguing how the official is better.
my opinion is that LFSP is better. you can have your opinion, nothing against that. but anymore than that i consider it noncontructive post and i really cannot stand that.

Last edited by ShUckErU, Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:12. Reason : ive got more to say

Quote from Shadowww :

Have you ever heard about "User-friendly"?

And i not smart enough to embed mine file into archive of unknown compressor (noone named it, right)?

since you seem to really want to know, we used winrar. and it is not possible at this time to make it as "user-friendly" as you want it. we did our best in the time that we had. which was about 1 day. and because of my limited knowledge, i dont have a very good idea how i would make this version dynamic to the specific thumbdrive.

Quote from Jakg :

I don't think you've read what I'm saying - you've made a gui which extracts LFS with no registry keys. LFS already HAD a gui (7-Zip one) which extracts it with no reg keys - so how is yours any better?

7zip does not have an as advanced gui as winrar. we used winrar because:
1. it had a customizable gui
2. it extracts really fast
3. takes less time to compile than that of others
4. easy enough to customise to the level it is now.

7zip might be able to do better than winrar at point 4, but to read up on all the switches and stuff is just tedious and slightly hard to comprehend because it doesnt give me exactly what i want. not that i havent tried, i have but im still new to it.

summarising off, when we upload our LFSP, and you guys test it out, and if u can help us in making lfsp even better, (like telling me what switches and commands to use if we used 7zip to achieve the same functionality that our current version has would be nice ) we will appreciate your help and will credit you if we used you suggestions. untill then i cant say much more than i already have.

now you know more than you shld about the porrtable version of LFS

this z10 patch has been here for a long time... are the known bugs that hard to fix? i thought it might just take a week or so b4 the nxt patch woulda came out. apparently not. oh and ive got a request for u developers, can you stop the cars from flying wen hitting certain objects?

Quote from Jakg :

But that was a folder vs. it being compressed - like I said i got a compressed "LFS Demo" to 62MB.

I don't see how having an extra app to run makes LFS any more portable than just copying the folder (which i used to do on the School computers for years...)

I really can't see the point in this at all

if you really cant see the point then u can offer us suggestions and help make it so that there would be a point in having portable lfs.

technically, we came up with this idea way b4 4gb's were common, then again, ppl like us had more than just 1 game and had OTHER stuff on our thumbdrives
and your lfs demo thingymajig, i can make our LFSP as small as 1 mb if i wanted to and had the resources too. but i'll put it this way to you: the smaller the compressed file is, the longer it takes to both compress and decompress it. so yea if i uploaded a 1mb ver of LFSP, people will start complaining that it takes DAYS to extract. so im glad u can make a 62mb version, but theres always other factors to consider when releasing something into public.

Quote from J.B. :

But is that really an advantage? I think it probably makes it more difficult to carry personal settings along with you, which is the whole point of a portable app.

Quote from Shadowww :

Your cfg.txt and another will be lost when you use uber-l33t-h4xx0r3d portable LFS, but won't if you simply copy LFS on your hard drive.

to both of you...
if you were smart enough you will be able to embed those settings into LFSP not that im saying you're dumb or anything but yea...

Quote from J.B. :

Don't want to sound too negative, but how exactly is it more portable than it was before? LFS doesn't use the registry anyway and all files and settings are in one folder.

it is an easier version to use. you dont have to specify the folder and this will work on any computer which does meet the min requirements of course.

and saying this 1ce again, we are working towards bringing the file size smaller.

Quote from SpikeyMarcoD :

So basically you packed it into an installer. hurray.

technically, it isnt an installer. it does everything automatic for you. there is no option for you to select where it goes. we did that for you. thats the reason why it is portable. and basically we made this because we do know that there are alot of schooling students like us. and want to play games at school.(uni, tafe, high, even prim if u may.)(for us australians) so this version of lfs will be much easier to bring around. rather than the actual installer. i believe schools in general do not allow games being brought. so this is our way of bypassing that rule. use at your own risk? anyway it is good advertising for LFS where you friends see you play it in a public place.

Quote from Jakg :

...
If you put the LFS "Demo" back in the 7-Zip SFX archive it's distributed in it comes out at 62.3 MB whereas the "full" copy is 132MB compressed.

so our is still smaller than your demo version. we have not deleted anything. and still is able to unlock S2, if you want.

Quote from Logicalx :

Lovely idea, but i cant see whats wrong with just copying your Folder on your computer and putting it on MemoryStick and just delete all the downloaded skins to make it smaller.

it will still be bigger than LFSP. we tried that.

Quote from Shadowww :

Khem, mine english socks.

You compress it with UHARC, right?

no we didnt. we used another compressor. where we are able to have a logo, and credit. uharc uses the ms-dos environment and i have not touched that for compressing. and on another note even though it is a good compressor, its raelly slow. this 1 we used is fast.less than a min, on my computer scored under 30seccs, also faster than the official install.

Quote from amp88 :

I don't understand the point of this. As jakg has already said your extractor is even bigger than the standard LFS installer. Am I missing something here?

you are looking it at the wrong POV. we have done everything to make it portable. which the official didnt do. but our only problem now is making it smaller. which we will. as soon as we find another "complex" method to improve it.

i hope this helps guys

we will be looking at futher compressing the files. where possible. of course we also want you guys to be able to extract it fast.

Quote from Migz :

So the original one is smaller then your version......?

what LFSP is that you do not need to install this version onto a computer. which means that it will not enter the registry. plus it also is faster to load up than installing lfs on that computer.

edit: it is the after install. i hope you know what i mean

Quote from Jakg :

Then you must of done it wrong, frankly - I made an LFS demo thingy and it was 60MB iirc...

firstly we used a simple method of compressing it. we did not use a cabinet. so it is just extracting. you can see the files in it if you used the right archiver. and we have also inc the WHOLE LFS. not just the demo content. so restating Jamesisinthehouse's point. it is like normal lfs.

Quote from duke_toaster :

also, where is the stuff getting chopped out of?

james what he means is "what is removed". your answer is nothing is removed. it is the full LFS that you would have on your computer. just unmodded

Last edited by ShUckErU, Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:31.

i just had to make another post for this cause i cant make a new thread.
no idea why. so, i found another bug while i was on BL1.

as you can see here im doing a burnout. you can see smoke.



and here, same moment, but looking through the fence...


NO SMOKE!!! O.o

bugged or wat?

im not too sure if any of you guys have noticed but while i was racing the AI on the FZ5, ABS does not fully let me "steer while braking". my front wheels lock and my turn is bigger than if i let go of both gas and brakes. my brakes setting is 1024Nm with 62% to the front. even with TC on they still lock. this doesnt happen with the XRG or any other car with ABS for that matter. just the FZ5. i dont think thats supposed to happen IMO

edit: btw i observed this on my friends copy of S2. dont let the "demo'er with FZ5?" bug you.

so tell me, if it is a loopback problem, what settings should i change if possible?

its called "fast drifters" and i only run it while im on the computer which is about 5pm to 9pm GMT +8 usually.