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AxeBreaker
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Eh, what I meant was that the person outside just has to share the road at the apex, they do not have to lift off enough to fall behind you at the exit. If they cut you off at the apex when you'r at their door that's their bad. If you take the corner at such speed that you knock them off the road at the exit, then it is the overtakers fault. As long as both parties can keep 3 wheels on the road without contact, it's probably ok.

Simply, if you have cornering rights, you only have the right to be at the apex, not the exit. It's not like anyone who's that far offline will be able to get on the gas properly to challenge for the next turn anyhow, as they are on the clag. The way some of these posters are writing, they imply that once they are halfway past you should just fall behind them, and if you don't any wreck is your fault. Sure you shouldn't cut them off, but they have an obligation to leave room also. I can't count the number of times I've seen people go door-to-door down a straight like this, and the ending was always the same. The inside guy got to the next turn quicker and finished the pass. When you are forced outside like that you can never carry enough speed or get on the throttle soon enough to beat the inside guy. So there's no reason to force someone off just because you can! Now that said, if he is more than half past you you should yield, because he probably can't see you, and you will have a better chance of passing him back that way anyhow.
AxeBreaker
S2 licensed
I notice a lot of the guys arguing that not giving the outside guy racing room is proper overtaking are karters. Whether or not that is legal in a kart depends on the track, series etc but generally, karters drive like that because it is allowed and in some classes, the only way to pass. It is significantly less likely that that would be allowed in club racing in the US- stuff costs more, so racing room is pretty much given. In the SCCA at a regional race, if someone held the outside and there was a wreck, the inside guy would get DQ'd or even lose his liscense for that! Ok, maybe not at the runnoffs but anywhere else, certainly. The point I'm trying to make here is that in real racing, it depends on the series officials and drivers what is acceptable and what is not. What would fly in F1 might not in ChampCar or Grand-am, as the latter two have cracked down on "avoidable contact". I think a good rule of thumb is that you can make somene hang a wheel off, but any more than that is excessively aggressive.

I would put Senna's 100% comitted pass in that category, because it leaves no racing room should his opponent refuse to yeild. I think that if you can get along side someone like that you will likely pass them in the end anyways, so leave them room.
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