Quote from MadCatX :

Any chance you're using Vista? Try setting sound acceleration to basic on dxdiag on the audio tab (start->run->dxdiag)

No, I'm running XP, but I suppose I'll try lowering the sound acceleration later. It works flawlessly on 0.5V, though.

I'm having a major issue with VERY choppy sound in 0.5Z25 (it's been an issue with me for all versions of 0.5Z, maybe even 0.5Y) and can't figure out what's causing it. The frame rate is just fine, but the sound is very choppy and continuously echoes. Any ideas? My sound card is a SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit and I'm running the latest driver. Thanks!

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

Not for a guy who uses username like that
E: hmm 2003.. okay soz, maybe old nfs gamer?

I've had that screen name for around six years...

Quote from Furiously-Fast :

This one is awesome!

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "wide body"!

Quote from Scatter :

Playing online: You would have to download them and seeing that a lot of people might take a chance to mod the car, you'll end up with a lot of mods, and some really really bad ones that just take up space. I wouldn't want to be racing against a 500 HP FBM in an FBM server anyways because that's just unfair.

Playing offline: It's pretty boring after a while. You can't upload hotlaps otherwise it will get an OOS error (I think?) and that hotlap isn't allowed. AI's are smarter but aren't intelligent enough to drive modded cars as well we do.

Also, there are copyright issues. If someone made a really popular mod of a real car in really good detail and someone from the company found out, we're screwed. If the dev's added a car that they currently own to the game but they didn't get permission from the company who made it, we're screwed.

If people want to help the dev's add new cars and tracks, I don't think their help would be taken because as far as I know, the devs want to do it themselves.

I'm not totally against modding but I think the devs aren't ready for it.

Anyways, the question was answered, but not to some people's liking because unfortunately, we can't have it that way for now so this topic is done.

No, it blocks you from using those modified vehicles online. That wouldn't be an issue.

It might would be boring for you, but I'd find it more boring just using the same ol' set of cars over and over offline. It'd make it more fun to add some vehicles of your own variety and get to race them off-line as well, against the same modified vehicles as yours.

Real cars have been made for many, many years for the aforementioned games (NFS, GTA, GTR, etc.), and I've never heard of an auto manufacturer coming after the developers because some third party person created a custom vehicle when the developers have no control over what people can do. Obviously the developers themselves couldn't add them, I'm just talking third party, here, like us.

I don't see how the developers aren't ready for it, as they wouldn't be associated with the creation of the custom vehicles, anyway, unless they wanted to put them in regular game that everyone downloads and pay licensing fees to the manufacturer. Again, I'm talking third party, where people like you and me create new vehicles from scratch (or maybe based on the regular cars). The developers aren't responsible for it and couldn't be blamed for it. It's never been an issue with MUCH more well-known game series's, it certainly shouldn't be a problem with a small, developing game like this.

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Quote from Riders Motion :

Hmm, NO.

What's so wrong about modifying a game? People have been making custom cars and tracks for the Need For Speed series for YEARS, as well as for GTA, etc., etc. For a more comparable example, see the GTR series. It in no way hurts sales of the game. If anything, it PROMOTES it. Just my two cents.

Quote from Knu :

Too much going on in my life at the moment.

Not to mention that (because of design flaws) this project became extremely complicated, and exhausting to work on. But, hey, it's not dead, just delayed

Any way some of us could help? I probably couldn't do much, but I could try. Hope everything works out for you, regardless.

Quote from falcon71 :

Hi Knu, ISRM is over not?

Regards Carlos

It sure has been a while, but I certainly hope not...

So what is the current status?

Quote from STF :

true . You could easily run 12.3x, with a little training 12.2 consistently, and with a bit of luck high 12.1 on bl1 straight.. But it`s inclined, downhill. The good part tho is that the "bump" gets bigger/steeper near the "finish line".
Using a friend's computer a while ago, S2 licensed, old patch x, single player (no weight restriction>xrt) with the same setup, i could only run once 12.92 on drag strip (without the mod). i usually got 13.05-13.10 and some rare high 12.9s. Online tho, 13.18-13.2x(low-mid) .
But TBH, fbm is very fun to race.. right now.. the demo got very fun and competitive.. i`m eager to get my own license, as soon as my "G" arrives in the "spot". (don`t have the spot yet aka cockpit or a sturdy desk). The G spots that i`m searching for are hard to find/obtain . :ices_rofl.
I think i`ll go look at :RSC: for other options/ideas.
In the mean while i`m trying and trying with a joystick .
It`s faster for drag also because of the analog clutch possibility, once - and if - you get used to it.

It goes up at the end, and there's no way that it's a 0.6 difference between times on the Blackwood straightaway and the real drag strip.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I think my best time in the XRT is 13.10 or so, but there were guys on the server the other night running in the high 12s.

I run 12.6s on average at around 105 mph. My best time is 12.49, I think, or definitely 12.5.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

The demo cars aren't worthless, but they don't make for very good drag cars. The BMW is about as good for drag as a shopping cart and the XFG is fwd. The XRG is a full-bodied, rwd car, but it's very low powered. The TBO class seems much better. Three different drivetrain layouts all of which are reasonably competitive (the FXO not quite as fast due to fwd). They're fast enough to be fun, but slow enough that you have time to see how close the guy next to you is. And all three are h-shift which is part of what makes drag racing so fun. The FZ5, LX6 and RAC are also fun, being RWD and h-shift, but not too overly-powerful.

When you get your S2 license, stop by the server. I'd love to race you in the XRT.

Yeah, if only they'd ditched the XRG instead of the XRT...but again, I can't complain. The FB02 sure does drop off right past the 100 mph mark, at least the XRT had the torque to keep going steady. Luckily the XRG and XFG are VERY close in speed, though.

What times do you run on the XRT? I lost my good setup (it was a modified version of dad's, if you know who he is; official mod_drag moderator) and was pretty damn fast.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I think you misunderstand. We DO use the drag strip. However, the way that the LFS drag strip works right now is not like real drag racing. You don't get to warm your tires. You don't get to pre-stage or stage. You don't get reaction time, 60' time, etc numbers. Running this mod on the drag strip is the closest you can get to actual drag racing in LFS because it provides those things while being on completely flat and level ground. To host on the demo would require using the Blackwood straight which is not level and is unacceptable to me. Also, the demo cars are worthless for drag racing, while under S2 we can use the TBO class to keep racing tight (it's fun to watch an FXO narrowly beat an RB4), or we can open it up to the RAC, the FZ5, the LX6, etc. for some quicker passes. Some people enjoy dragging the GTRs, but now that they use sequential shifters I think they're less fun, so they are disabled on my server.

You can save your breath about defending Demo drivers and servers. I've gone down that road and won't bother again. Licensed (S2) servers are much more pleasant to administer because people are not anonymous and can be held liable for their actions. I refuse to deal with the chaos that demo servers entail, and I refuse to reward people who won't buy the game by hosting a server like this and allowing them to extend the content of what is supposed to be a limited trial.

Okay, I understand why you need the drag mod, now. I think you are right to some extent that the Blackwood straightaway is not the best type of straight used for a drag strip. As for the "demo" cars, just because they're slow doesn't mean they're worthless (otherwise they wouldn't be in the game), although I'm sure it's a lot more fun using the S1/S2 cars. Competition is quite tight using the demo cars, as well.

There's not much content to be gained for demo users since there aren't any vehicles added or another track, just a modification that allows the Blackwood straightaway to be used as a drag strip, which, as you said, isn't that great. I understand how it's not fair for demo users to get much stuff and get your reasoning, but I don't think this one small modification affects sales that much. I definitely agree with you about the S1/S2 servers being much more in control and friendly, as there are plenty of people who get on the demo servers and just crash, but I try my best to ignore it. I completely understand why you want to stick to the S2 servers, and I would, too.

Just my two cents.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I will NOT host my server on Demo mode. There are too many toolboxes out there running the demo that know how to get around IP bans. S2 users know that if they get banned they won't be able to come back again. Plus, I want to reward people who have paid Scavier for their hard work. Besides, who wants to drag race the XRG and XFG?

Pony up the money and buy the game. You won't regret it.

We didn't have much issue with anyone evading on Knu's server, although we did get crashers (which could be avoided with vote bans/kicks). And again, why don't you guys use the real drag strip (not criticizing, just asking)? I plan on drag racing the FB02, although I wouldn't mind the XRG if we had to, as we used to do that for fun on 0.5X occasionally. It was pretty fun, believe it or not! I might buy it later, but all I really do online is drag. The demo servers had a large enough audience for me when they were around and most all of us knew each other, so it'd be like leaving my friends to race on S1/S2 only servers. I guess I'll try setting up the server and see if I can get a demo server running, then, since it's the patch that's already available. Thanks!

Yeah, how did you get the working version of the mod drag, Cue-Ball? Did you do it on your own or did Knu get it to you?

Quote from Cue-Ball :

The server is up, but it's running in S2 mode on the drag strip with the TBO cars enabled. If you want to join, I'm afraid you'll have to spring for S2.

Go ahead. You know you want to.

Man... You won't host it on the demo server? I guess I'll just wait until Knu puts the official server back up. Plus, what's the point of it in S1/S2 since there's a REAL drag strip? Just curious...

Quote from Cue-Ball :

Seattle ISRM Drag

It's not always up since I host from my home computer, but it's been up pretty much the last two days straight.

It's not on right now, though, is it? Now I'll finally get into LFS again! Do you guys use the new BMW FB02, or the XRG? I'm REALLY going to miss the XRT, but I guess I can't complain much.

Wait, so the server is/was back up? What's your server called, Cue-Ball?

Quote from hiroshima guy :

Obviously not yet

Yeah, sounded like he was almost done with it. It'll be soon...I hope.

Any updates?

Great to hear! Now for which car to use...I guess the Formula BMW. I hate that they had to take away the XRT from the demo version, just about all demo users do, but I guess we shouldn't complain since we haven't paid for anything.

Dang, drag racing was the ONLY thing I did online. :weeping: Please update it as soon as you have the time, Knu. I know I won't be the only one that'll GREATLY appreciate it!