Quote from SamH :

Ahh okay. Well, my own perspective is that - since you've moved on to TDU, and have stopped using LFS - your posts are inherently trolling. Specifically, as you point out, they're agitative in nature, and specifically intended to gain responses.

People on this forum are, by and large, pro-LFS. If you post negatively, your opinions are likely to be attacked. You knew this before posting, so again I conclude that you're just here to do some trolling.

As I'd say to my kids, I say to you.. it's not that you're a jerk. You just do jerkish things. Trolling is stuff jerks do. If you want me to speak nicely of the things you do, do some nice things.

I really think this thread's positively run its course. Final thoughts are welcome in the next 10 mins. It'd be nice if they could be positive posts. Then I'm gonna lock it. I really don't want to encourage perpetual trolling, because it's only ever been tolerated to any extent on this forum through overly generous, and gentle moderation. That doesn't make trolling okay though.

Who are you to say that I am trolling? Trolling is when you go after something or someone based on no valid evidence. I wouldn't have said what I said if I would have gotten what I thought I was going to get out of LFS. Basically, I get bored of racing around all day with cars that I have driven thousands of times on tracks that I have driven, again, many times. That's the jist of it. The only positive thing would be that LFS can still change. It can become, once again, what it used to be.

Quote from BuddhaBing :

Next time, try going up to your professor and start throwing personal insults at him, tell him that no one gives a turd about his personal life or his family, insist that he has an obligation to sit on his ass all day and write his lectures the way you want them to be written, tell him that you've got other classes that you enjoy far more and then give him an ultimatum that if he doesn't make MAJOR changes to his course work, you'll stop coming to his class and will tell everyone else to do the same.

Again, what does it have to do with you? Do you and your little buddies here on your happy little community feel the need to defend the developers? Huh? Who appointed you their bodyguard?

Quote from sgt.flippy :

I keep hoping on seeing a "no more welcome" message.. This is really going nowhere..

Some jerk stops liking the game, feels the need to tell the world about and trying to make people think LFS is bad. What's really stupid when you're on the official forum of the game where generally people like the game. So it's just trying to get into an arguement. If you say you're leaving, please leave, you have nothing more to add around here.

Why can't I put it to words like SamH

Now I am being called a jerk...nice, real nice

Quote from SamH :

I'm confused, now.. you're quoting me but are you referring to me?

The first little bit was about you. The next part I was using "you" hypothetically.

Quote from SamH :

You're confusing sucking up with appreciation. There is a difference, and you've failed to spot it. But no matter.

You bought LFS, and you played it. I'm assuming that you enjoyed it, and got at least £24'sworth of hours out of it. You've since found something else to play. Go for it. I do genuinely support you in that move.

But there's absolutely nothing to be achieved by back-biting here. Nobody who's a present and active member of this forum should be expected to read a post like yours and resist responding. It's your responsibility to do as YOU said, and move along to the next thing. Don't drive in your rear-view mirror

Resist responding? No way! This is why I made this thread, partly to see what people's opinion is...Excuse my language but when someone feels the need to defend a game by making personal attacks, well, how can I have respect for those people? Really, if you consider yourself intelligent and me stupid then why have you shown nothing but stupidity by attacking me personally? Because I posted on the forums? So what? Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Nowhere does it say that I must find the game godly or the best or not complain about it....When someone finds something different or sees it differently than anybody else, why go after him personally? So if I go to my professor and tell him I don't agree with something he said, he will call me stupid or an idiot like you guys? No, I have done it lots of times. My professor often agreed with what I had to argue about his lectures. So I will not be skewed by some people that have nothing better to do than attack a person over their opinions on what you call a community forum. You have just proved to everyone how "well" you can handle and resist flaming...Man, I look at all of you and I just get a little bit more sad...

Quote from SamH :

@ Gianni.. I suspect many people are thinking like you. I've a slightly different feeling on it...


I dare say the devs might grumble (possibly very loudly) when I say this, but I honestly think that you shouldn't. I think you'd be a miserable LFS owner. Barely anything suits you about LFS now, and you've not even paid for it yet. Once you've spent your money, you'd have an extra impetus to grumble and complain.. but LFS doesn't work that way. LFS is what LFS is. Even those of us who've bought an S2 licence have absolutely no say in how it's developed. We bought it because we like it. Nobody who doesn't like it should buy it. You don't like the way it works, and so I mean it when I say.. don't buy it.

What does what you just said have to do with what lalathegreat said?? I am sorry, did I miss something here? Your post attacks him when he only said positive things...The 3 dev wow factor, the amount of hard work going into the sim, the fact that he will buy it out of respect...I could see how you may interpret the buying out of respect deal as a negative thing but I doubt he meant anything negative by it...

Quote from GianniC :

LFS is dead

can anybody out there
here me
can anybody out there
feel me
can you here me
cause I don't seem to hear myself
cause I don't seem to feel myself
can anybody out there see me
cause I keep losing my way
ye ye
I keep losing my way
It's so busy in South City anyway
I keep losing my way
What I got to say

Come this way
I'll show you Live for Speed
Hide that weed
That
Is something you don't need
Live for Speed
Is what you need

Don't need it ?
Wait... go stand there
Ye right there in the corner

*all point and laugh now*
:drink:

LFS isn't dead and it will never die.
Love LFS!
Love this community!

Haha way to suck up...

Quote from axus :

Let us now review obsolete_power's "respectful" opening post. I'll do something I don't like doing - dissect a post piece by piece so I can get my point across. I highlight in red the parts which piss me off (which is pretty much the whole post).



That doesn't sound like an opinion to me. It sounds like a rash statement.



Oh bugger, that's a bit backward. Somehow 19 cars are less than the what, 8 we had in S1? And what is "depth"? Everything about LFS has progressed over time so that statement is just flat out wrong. As for



Really? What about the physics?



Great, why do you feel the need to tell us about it?



Its a fact, get over it - no-one hid that fact from you when you bought the game.



That won't necessarily speed anything up - in a good way anyway. "They cannot keep up with the demand"? That makes no sense at all. If they cannot meet your demands (which is a totally different thing) then go play something else. You didn't buy slaves for £24, you bought a game.



Yeah, development takes time.



That's really respectful. Nice.



Woah. Read the EULA again. The devs owe you nothing. And, the devs are in high gear now, doing 10hour days. What more do you expect? They'd be doing less in a day job.



What's that got to do with anything? I'm sure they're satisfied or they wouldn't be here (yes, they are here).



Oh yeah? Then go play something else.



How about you get your act together and make us a better sim?



Oh no, HK will stop playing LFS. Whatever shall we do?



Come to what? Oh, you leaving? Bugger. I'll start weeping in a bit.

The point is, none of those comments I made in the first post were directed towards the community in any way. I will say it again, they were directed at the game so why do you feel the need to insult me? In fact, if you consider yourself so intelligent, why are you taking everything so personal? If you don't agree with something then you simply have to say you disagree and move on, not ramble on for 4 pages with comments and dissecting my sentences which are a pure waste of time for you since they won't change my opinion. In the "real world" as you put it, we learn that taking things not directed at oneself, personally, is a blatant act of immaturity so there you go, now you can go and sarcastically weep

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Quote from DFS_MadFred :

Well you brought it upon yourself when you started it. You basically called the developers lazy slackers that sold out and stole your money and now you don't get any extra content fast enough.

imho you are wrong. because you paid for the content at hand, which you could look up on their site. You knew what it would be, an unfinished sim.

Ok, so you are bored with it, fair enough. It happens.
I am not, I am loving it, and if there would never be another update,
I would still play it for a long time.

Heck there are games that are much older, have cost me more money, and that have had no update at all, which I still play too.

But if you place such an opinion, and a tad strongly formulated as you did, on a public forum, in the Discussion section, then discussion is what you will get, no matter if you "asked for it" or not..

There is no need to say the community is crap, there are always some trouble makers, but you cant go calling everyone names

I hope you guys will have a lot of fun with Test Drive, and wjho knows, maybe we'll see you again when S3 comes around..

the best of luck to you all, bye bye!!

Man, honestly, come on. There is a difference between saying they are lazy and what other people's intuition is...Really, where have I stated that they "stole" my money? What do you mean I brought it upon myself?
So who is contradicting himself here?? You told me earlier that I was calling people immature and whatever and now when I said that I was referring to people's personal attacks you do a 180 on me and say I brought it upon myself...honestly dude...

Quote from DFS_MadFred :

you just managed to say you respect others and not attack them aswell as saying you don't give a **** and calling others immature.. you're a genius!

If you want to be taken serious, you should stop contradicting yourself I reckon

Okay, when I said I don't give a **** and calling them immature was not about their opinions of what I said. They were directed to the attacks coming from them directed at me. This stopped being about my opinion a long time ago, probably about half-way through the first page. Since then it's been nothing but me being stupid, an idiot or any of the other things I have just seen. This just shows exactly the kind of community that you guys helped create!

Quote from luftrofl :

1) You bought the game knowing it wasn't done. Don't cry over spilled milk, especially if you did it on purpose.

2) I was letting you know that I think you are incredibly stupid. Great job in figuring that one out.

3) Just because you let others know about your ideas does not mean that your ideas are good.

4) No, the graphics don't make the game. They make it better.

5) Again, you are mistaken. Let me clarify incase you thought I meant nobody at all- nobody would feel the effect of you leaving, and so would not care.

Why are you still hanging around? E-thug much?

Very good, lad. You have managed to come up with yet another "amazing" post. The fact that you think I am stupid gives you no advantage over me whatsoever It just proves my point...I state my opinion and you call me stupid for it, great. Your simple-mindedness really highlights your immaturity. Again, I am not the one with the personal attacks, chap. I didn't ask for your opinion on my intelligence, I never asked for anything at all.

Quote from Splint :

Thanks axus, I have been watching this topic and thinking to myself, why don’t these guys stop complaining and just enjoy what S2 is at this moment. I enjoy every sec of it and I don’t even care about future updates, it’s still the best sim I have played and will play. And ya give the devs a break, it all takes time.

Well I should be sorry that I am not like you. Again, you have your opinion and I have mine, I respect the opinions of you all by not attacking them (I am however combatting the attacks). I see things differently and you know what? I do not give a rat's ass what you or any of the other immature people.

Quote from Gunn :

Blah blah blah, I want this, blah blah blah, I don't care, blah blah blah, it's not fair, blah blah blah, I will leave if I my demands aren't met, blah blah blah they should do this or that, blah blah blah, other games are better...

If you sir are a representitive of a "professional racing community" you have a very long way to go before succeeding in convincing anyone else of that achievement. What a rediculous attitude to take, why would anyone care what your opinion is if you so blantantly can't give a flying **** what anyone else's is either? The more you wind yourself up the more rediculous you become.
Constructive criticism is always welcomed here, but you haven't offered any. A member of a "professional racing community" surely would not propagate such an immature rant if they wanted to be taken at all seriously. You're just coming across as a blow-hard who does not understand the task at hand. If you have been around for so long then you shouldn't be surprised or shocked at the method of development, so I'm guessing you aren't really surprised or shocked at all. If you've kept in touch with the test patch progress then you know very well that Scawen works hard, so why act like this?
If you want to make claims about being a part of anything professional you had better weed your own garden before you go digging up everyone else's.

I would have been willing to consider your opinion but you seem to be having trouble communicating in a reasonable manner. Whatever it is you really want, you aren't helping yourself to get it.

Well to put it in simple terms, I am merely speaking at a level that is suitable for the people that posted on this thread. It started out as me expressing my opinion on the game and the developers and I have gotten nothing but personal attacks because some people here feel a need to defend the game and developers through personal attacks.

Quote from robgo :

ROFL, i think you buyed the wrong game then. Has LFS ever been the best in graphics or sound or the amount af driveable roads? i doubt it... Most people who have bought it are interested in phisics, graphics is nowhere near as important. Sound is responsive that's the most important thing about sound in a simulator. If you are interested in arcadish games, then bye...

It was dude, it was....but WAS is the key word. When I first played the initial LFS release, I was amazed at how real it felt back then.

Quote from DFS_MadFred :

So you tell him he keeps it real, yet your team mate stated the above, as the HK opinion.. and that is basically the definition of selling out, as in NOT keeping it real..

so which is it?

It isn't an HK opinion, smart one! It is the opinion of an idividual that happens to be part of the team! I don't believe either of us said anything about an "HK opinion."

Haha, give up their lives...another person missing the point! Let's say you have a job, 9-6, and you tell your fellow workers one day that you only want to work from 9 to 12 everyday because you have a life and a family how would that look? Everyone has a life, many of us have families and, yes, WE NEED TO FEED THEM and purchase clothes for them, have a roof over their heads, satisfy their wants and needs, we don't run our jobs around our lives, unfortunately, we live our lives around the work schedule, most of us. Please, stop taking things I am posting out of context and turning them around on me, it only adds on to the discussion and you are decreasing the remaining amount of scrolls our mice were rated for!

Quote from luftrofl :

Hello, it seems you're an idiot/are not living in reality. Let me explain to you how things work for the non-idiotic/those of us in reality.

1) You don't pay for updates. You paid to unlock the full version, not get continual updates. Welcome to the world of playing in-progress games, be thankful there isn't a monthly charge.

2) LFS didn't lose you as a customer. You bought the game and are forever a customer. It's not like you continually pay to use it. If anything, they save money because you're not using up bandwith. One less person buying the next version won't make an impact on LFS.

3) You say you want something, but don't say what. Would you want the developers to read your mind and magically give you what you want? "something MAJOR" is far from specific.

4) The graphics don't make the game, maybe you should just go race IRL if you're so worried about great graphics.

5) Nobody cares about you. You don't make a difference. You won't be missed. Deal.

Dude, now that you are done trying to act like you know me, let me tell you something!

1) If you put S1, S2 and S3 together it will all equal a full release of let's say Need For Speed or any other game that is not "a progress-game as you say it" Updates won't be forever, the devs stated that at the beginning that there are no plans to continue content updates past S3 nor does it guarantee that it will reach the S3 stage. This game has been basically cut out into three parts. S1 basic cars plus tracks plus basic physics, S2 more cars plus tracks and updated physics, S3 will probably be weather updates and maybe more physics updates and tracks....if it ever gets there. Monthly charge? For what? NONE of the games released (apart from MMOs) charge monthly because there just isn't enough content to charge for nor is there that much bandwidth used. Since LFS is a client sided game and pretty much the only bandwith used is to keep track of online servers on the master server. The game multiplayer is client based also!

2) I am sure I know that it won't make a difference what I say or not and the fact that it won't affect development and that wasn't my intent, obviously you missed that. Again, the game barely uses any of the developers' bandwidth. That statement you made was purely for personal attacks and I thought you considered yoursef to be the "intelligent" one here. Now come on, mommy and daddy taught you better than that...

3) I have posted on the Suggestion and PATCH TEST threads before and nothing was done of what I wanted. Saying something, as you say in the "real world" won't get you very far. It isn't like the devs are taking requests but for the sake of this discussion I will say what I want: Frequent content updates and I want the feeling of dry to be gone from the game!

4) The graphics DO make the game if you want to have an experience. If all you are interested in is to have the best scores then this game is perfect for you!

5) There are lots of people that care about me. I would tell you about it but now I am afraid of you attacking me for not only using up from precious bandwidth but also would take up quite a huge chunk of this page. This is beside the point though and I don't see what this has to do with live for speed...Oh, you meant that the developers don't care about me...Okay, this is most probably true and why should they? I was never expecting them to PERSONALLY care about me. If Microsoft releases new versions of windows every 5 years that are fresh and new, let's say, does this mean they have to care about you or me or the next person? No, they should, however, care about the customer because, after all, he is the one that makes any company what it is...

Quote from axus :

Basically, a bunch of "Hell Knights" guys went emo and decided to start another bullshit thread. I hope they learn and not start another annoying thread after deciding they've had enough of Test Drive Unlimited. Now someone PLEASE, close this one on time.

You know, who the f made you the moderator, one, and second, did your parents teach you that if someone else's opinion is different than yours then that person should shut up over you? Truly, no one asked you to post anything. Last time I checked this is a public forum for discussion. Now don't tell me that only the things that are positive and make LFS sound like the next big breakthrough in online sim racing should be shown and the ones that don't do that should be extirpated...LFS does have some positives I have to agree with that but I have been saying that since 2002 and I am freaking tired of saying the same things because barely anything new comes out for LFS. I am a person that likes new ventures and I am not a person that is given one thing and can keep it for 10 years without getting bored of it. Last major update was April 2005 for S2 ALPHA! Since then we got a new car and some minor updates to code and settings. It has been almost 2 years since then. We have been racing online with the same damn cars, on the same damn tracks. It has been fun at the beginning but we ALL need new content. It hasn't happened for a long time! The beauty of virtual racing is the possibility to create the real experience plus more than you cannot in real life. LFS just ends at the real life experience. Until they show me the true potential of it, I will stand by what I said. Sounds and graphics are what make the real life experience. Yes LFS has great physics but I need more than that to truly feel like I am part of the real racing experience.
You are commenting on Test Drive Unlimited, well wait until it is officially released and you will see the 1600 miles of drivable roads and the exquisite graphics + sounds, the way the game is built and the content. I cannot say too much because of Atari's NDA but you haven't seend nothing yet!

Quote from danowat :

Yawn, bye then, have fun with Test Drive Unlimited.

Quite why you feel the need to tell others to leave LFS is beyond me, surely people can make up there own minds.

I hope Test drive unlimited makes you happy(er)

Smile and wave people, Smile and wave

I didn't tell people to leave, I meant that is what I would do, I will correct it. This is not all I said, is this the only thing you could comment on?

Yep, typical....It is like a new corporation that is starting out, they give free things, the act all loyal and everything, they are constantly offering support and are more than willing to help and asnwer EVERY question. Then they start making some money and it all goes to shit....They become arrogant and no longer value their customers. Same thing happened to Sony, AMD etc and it looks like the same thing is happening to them. They lose their value. With the two examples above (Sony and AMD) it is like the customers don't exist anymore. They expect people to pay money for any crap they release but do not care what the customer wants because they know he will pay. Then when something expensive doesn't sell, they get pissed and angry and call their customers ingrates...Hopefully, LFS won't become like that but they are starting to show signs of it...

Well I will only give you one as it is already a world of difference between LFS and it....it is Test Drive Unlimited for the PC.

LFS is gone, it's as lifeless as a Dodo and it has been for a long time now! Content and depth are at an all-time LOW and besides the online "experience" this game hardly has anything else. I have moved on to much better and games with much more depth than LFS. I do not care, nor do I accept the fact that there are only 3 developers. They cannot keep up with the demand so they should get more people to work on it. This game has been released for 4 years now and we are still in the alpha stage of the second "major" release. Oh yeah and the nonesense about the developers having "lives" and families....no one gives a turd! They have started something, they have asked for money, so now it is time that we ask something of them! This is their job and I DO NOT CARE what lives they WANT to have. Their job is to sit on their asses and program! It isn't like this is a side project or something!! They get almost 100% of the profits and they should be satisfied by that! This game started out as something truly great and cutting edge but that was like back in 2003 - 2004, they haven't kept up with the rest of the world! LFS still has mediocre graphics and sound, and although the physics are pretty good, I have played games that have much better modeling...I am truly sorry but you have officially lost me as a customer and I do not see myself returning until they get their acts together and release something fresh!!! The right and smart thing to do would be to release something MAJOR before Christmas this year or they will really pay the price. With all this being said, it is a damn shame that it had to come to this!!

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I was wondering if someone could make a website script that would display the track the server is racing on from birds-eye-view and have dots moving on the overlay representing the cars in-game. Also when people hover their mouse on the dots it should display the name of the racer, maybe his/her record on that track and the car he/she is driving.

One reason that I can come up with as to why this may be impossible to make would be the constant querying that the master server would get from the script.

What do you guys think?

This is definitely the only game to remain in development for this long...I would pay $70 US for the damn thing just as long as the developers hurry up and release it already!! We all paid for S2 licence which is still in alpha stage. The S2 licence has been released 1.5 years ago...What the heck could possibly take so long? Not to be a pest but I think I speak for most people here that we are all damn tired of waiting! Patience can only go so damn far...

These wheels are so weird that I wouldn't even think about putting them on my car. They make any car look like shit!