Quote from rc10racer :

on a more serious note

Seen that in todays paper. I'm assuming its the same cat.

Heroin is nothing new. Us Brits were actually at war with China 150 odd years ago in the 'Opium Wars'.

Production in Afghan has gone up for the simple fact that we (the coalition) need support of the warlords who hold overwhelming control of the country. Sometimes you have to do bad things to create good. So we turn a blind eye to the production and inturn get the warlords on our side.

The fact that the country with the highest amount of users of heroin actually shares a border with the country we are talking about seems to have slipped your mind.

I need to open a flag sales business in the middle east!

the world its fked.

I love those 'go google it' arguments. Just because someone wrote it doesn't mean its the truth. Just because somebody made a youtube video - doesn't mean its true.

You believe what you want to believe. Much like how I like to believe to some extent that there is a so called 'god' - something spiritual atleast. Whereas shotglass who gave a perfectly good explanation why he doesn't agree with it.

Does it matter who is right? No. You dont need to preach your views and dismiss anyone that does not agree with you.

Quote from Shotglass :

yes it does and of course it would
much less intelligent animals live in groups/packs/herds etc which offers loads of advantages and does require all of the above supposedly human bahaviours to work for any length of time
once you get to the point where offsrping takes at least 14 years to mature to any leves at which it can support itself living as a herd and having the "humanity" necessary to do so becomes inevitable

I quote something written by Francis Collins. Sorry about the length but I see it relevant.

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Let's focus on this last question. One of the most notable characteristics of humanity, across centuries, cultures, and geographic locations, is a universal grasp of the concept of right and wrong and an inner voice that calls us to do the right thing. This is often referred to as the moral law. We may not always agree on what behaviors are right (which is heavily influenced by culture), but we generally agree that we should try to do good and avoid evil. When we break the moral law (which we do frequently, if we are honest with ourselves), we make excuses, only further demonstrating that we feel bound by the moral law in our dealings with others.

Evolutionary arguments, which ultimately depend on reproductive fitness as the overarching goal, may explain some parts of this human urge toward altruism, especially if self-sacrificing acts are done on behalf of relatives or those from whom you might expect some future reciprocal benefit. But evolutionary models universally predict the need for reflexive hostility to outside groups, and we humans do not seem to have gotten that memo. We especially admire cases in which individuals make sacrifices for strangers or members of outside groups: think of Mother Teresa, or Oskar Schindler, or the Good Samaritan.

We should be skeptical of those who dismiss these acts of radical altruism as some sort of evolutionary misfiring. And if these noble acts are frankly a scandal to reproductive fitness, might they instead point in a different direction - toward a holy, loving, and caring God, who instilled the moral law in each of us as a sign of our special nature and as a call to relationship with the Almighty?

Do not get me wrong. I am not arguing that the existence of the moral law somehow proves God’s existence. Such proofs cannot be provided by the study of nature. And there is an inherent danger in arguing that the moral law points to some sort of supernatural intervention in the early days of human history; this has the flavor of a "God of the gaps" argument. After all, much still remains to be understood about evolution's influence on human nature. But even if radically altruistic human acts can ultimately be explained on the basis of evolutionary mechanisms, this would do nothing to exclude God’s hand. For if God chose the process of evolution in the beginning to create humans in imago Dei, it would also be perfectly reasonable for God to have used this same process to instill knowledge of the moral law.

A deeper question raised by this debate is the fundamental nature of good and evil. Does morality actually have any foundation? To be consistent, a committed atheist, who argues that evolution can fully account for all aspects of human nature, must also argue that the human urge toward altruism, including its most radical and self-sacrificial forms, is a purely evolutionary artifact. This forces the conclusion that the concepts of good and evil have no real foundation, and that we have been hoodwinked by evolution into thinking that morality provides meaningful standards of judgment. Yet few atheists seem willing to own up to this disturbing and depressing consequence of their worldview. On the contrary, the most aggressive of them seem quite comfortable pointing to the evil they see religion as having inspired. Isn’t that rather inconsistent?

I was once an atheist myself, and so I understand the temptation to fall into a completely materialistic view of human nature. But seeing all of humanity's nobler attributes through the constricted lens of atheism and materialism ultimately leads to philosophical impoverishment and even to the necessity of giving up concepts of benevolence and justice. I found that a whole world of interesting questions opened up for me once I accepted the possibility of a spiritual aspect to humanity.

Quote from TehPaws3D :

Spell it right...

Neither spelling is correct.

Quote from flymike91 :

How many jews and christians have they burned in the last 30 years for their beliefs? How many beheaded?

Koran 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion"

Quote from theirishnoob :

the kettles calling the teapot black.


Dont feed the pastor troll.

Bringing the point forward is not feeding the fire. Its a serious debate.

I myself believe religion has a very serious place in the world. Religion is far more than a reason to answer who our creator is. I think we would all agree that natural selection and evolution (Darwin's theory) has got us to the place we live today.

What is interesting, for me atleast is where do human values come from? Evolution doesn't explain this. For the fittest species to survive would it survive by being what we call 'human' (tolerant,kind,helpful) I doubt that it would.

With regards to the religious centre being built near the WTC. I dont see the problem, obviously I can see why it could cause tension but it shouldn't be allowed to. As it has been said, just because they called themselves Muslim's doesn't mean they are. If you do not follow its teachings then how can you be? I'll tell you now that the perpetrators of the 911 attacks were not following Islam or any religion for that matter.

Quote from AtomAnt :

I said it earlier...close this thread mods...nothing good is going to come from this

If you don't like this thread don't bump it. All you seem to do is whine and post gibberish. Half the time I cannot understand what your saying as you type like you have just finished 3 bottles of jacks or have been chasing the dragon all night.

Please, if this is a discussion that you dont like you can run along and carry on posting your famous irrelevant threads that have no interest to me. Don't come here and whine/bitch because you don't like my thread.

Have I ever posted in one of your threads to complain or even just posted at all? No.

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Quote from danowat :

You should behave in a decent manner because its the right thing to do, NOT what a group of "dealers" tell you too.

Where did the 'decent manner' come from though? Did the human race just naturally learn to be tolerant towards others (others outside our family, community etc...) did this just come progressively or was it the earliest forms of religion which set the standard?

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http://www.boingboing.net/2010 ... cruise-ship-chaos-vi.html

Lucky man at 1.20min

Im against all this burning stuff anyway. Its bad for the environment. Why don't they just recycle them to pulp then print out some bibles. (tongue in cheek)

Religion is the path of spiritual growth in which the outcome should be love and peace for all mankind. Although, far from the peace and love we find ourselves in a situation of segregation, them versus us.

Quote from danowat :

Religion is the root of much evil IMO.

It is the mis-interpretation and the misuse of religion that is wrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11223457

Pretty disgraceful tbh.

I know its more than likely been blown out of proportion, hick town with a small church and with the 911 emotions in USA running high and off you go; blue touch paper well and truly lit. But what is concerning is the Christian fundamentalism still embedded in the USA.

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sorry 'bout the 1 star

nice work jens

Half a decade in a class of its own.

The police are negotiating with him on Sky news.

2/1 he doesnt come out alive.

One of the speeches was a definition of irony :O

England 2 Germany 0... You heard it here first sports fans!

I love how all the jocks hate England. Shame we'll never get to return the favor as the only sport they are good at is throwing telephone posts in the air.

Well what I meant was, a league which is free can be run more loosely than a pay to race league and would probably require less work.

In principle it should work but the hardest part is getting people to actually put the money on the table. I think a system like this would only work if the league had a large infrastructure and commanded a large amount of respect. If you were to do something like this I think you should run your first season FOC 'free of charge' then see how it goes from there. Also invite drivers/teams that you want to be involved as you will have more confidence in those drivers not to ruin, wreck or just effect the league with general poor driving standards. If you'd paid, for example £10, to race the season and every race you were hit off because of poor standards then it would be quite difficult to manage. Something like the STCC would have been a good platform for this.

Overall my verdict is, too much hard work for little gain.