Quote from voight kampff :

Neither of the last two posters haver read and/or understood my original post.

Despite constant careful driving and loads of getting out of the way on blue flag...sooner or later I get a fast hotlapper than rams me out of the way and blames it on me. They assume wrongly that if I slow them down at all I have broken the rules...."FAIL"

The blue flag does not always appear with enough warning and I have had several situations where I have had no flag at all...

Read my original post carefully before replying to this.

I read your post carefully.. What I'm trying to tell you is that on MOST servers it IS against the rules to slow a lapping car down period.

In F1 it is a warning, but on almost every LFS server (which is what we are talking about) it is a rule.

The blue flag ALWAYS COMES OUT WITH PLENTY OF WARNING. Please don't say that it doesn't always come out in time because it comes out the same ALWAYS.

You may be gettting confused when there is someone that is behind you mixed in with people that are about to lap you. In that case you might get a blue flag when someone is right behind you, however that blue flag might be for someone that is pretty far back and the person right behind you is someone that is NOT lapping you.

It can get confusing which car is about to lap you and which is simply about to pass you (for position) when there are a lot of cars behind you.

Using the map helps a lot in that situation.

Quote from JPeace :

i think only a few of you have acctually grasped intelligence on this thread, what a shame. let me explain myself.

If a faster car is approaching you at 2 seconds per lap, you have the right to go about your own line on a straight or whatever, but you dont have the right to hold them up deliberatly by treating them as if you are defending a lead on the final lap of a race. its astonishing to see some of you saying things like its fair to hold them up and that you "noobs have had enough". enough of what exactly? that some other people are faster than you and that you cant compete with them, and then complain that they have a go at you when you dont let them pass easily. which i think the leader is entitled to have a go at you if you have considrable caused yourself a nousence and gone out of your way to block the leader, which a few of you on this thread seem to be pround of.
of course, you can race on your given line, and the leader cant just expect you yo jump out of the way as if they are god. but i think that you are absolutly not entitled to then turn across the leader, or faster car, as they are alongside you in a corner. the amound of times i have slowly and progressivly came up alongside someone i am lapping, for them then to turn into me as if i am not there, its stupid. i then ask these people why they did it.. and i regognise some of the names from these events on this thread, but i will not name names, anyway, they then tell me that it was my fault. ofc im a bit annoyed by this and ask, how its my fault. and they simply turn around and say that it was blue flag, your responsability to get past me. thats completely the wrong message thats being sent out by this game to racers. i can assure you, you do that in real life and you will lose your licence in a very short space of time.

cheers, J

I'm glad someone understands..

You get a blue flag when the faster car is usually 5 seconds back or so, which is plenty of time to find a safe place to let them pass. Most people wait until the faster car is right behind them, THEN they try to find a place. That's too late.

Quote from jasonmatthews :

Wrong, on so many levels....

And it is people like you that threads like these are made

So instead of making blanket statements like that, simply back up your point with facts..

for instance from the original posters post (and every single server rule that I've read...

From OP's first post....

Quote from voight kampff :

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All my problems seem to come from blue flag issues… L

Here are some of the blue flag rules from lfs website:

“In this case you are hindering his progress and must allow him to pass you as soon as it is safe to do so (you can't be expected to yield while negotiating a chicane or high speed corner) Hold your line don't fight the other car, do not make any sudden movements left or right, ease off slightly and let him pass. He is a lap ahead of you and you are not fighting him for position. You must not hold him up.”

So what other 'level' is wrong (in your opinion)?

Quote from bbman :

You are a textbook case of someone who doesn't understand one bit of racing, and it's so saddening that so many like you found their way to sim racing... EVERY SINGLE rulebook of any motorsport series CLEARLY states that it is the LAPPER'S responsibility to ensure a safe pass - meaning the only difference to a normal pass is that the lappee is advised not to actively defend his position, but he would very well be entitled to drive bang on racing line! Every deviation from it that he makes is courtesy on his behalf!

Again, don't state something you believe is fact unless you can back it up. Just post a link to any rule (real or game) where that does NOT have a line something like this in it MUST NOT HOLD UP THE FASTER CAR?? Bottom line is to NOT hold someone up you MUST get off the driving line and let the faster car pass.

Please read rules carefully before arguing with people. And, as typical with posters like YOU, it turns into a personal attack because you have no arguements.

Last edited by cobra193, Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:36.

I'm kindof tired of people whining about this. The points made above are not really valid at all.

The whole problem here is that the blue flag warning comes out LONG BEFORE THE FASTER DRIVER IS ON YOUR REAR!!!!!! The problem is lapped drivers see the blue flag, then ignore it until the faster car is now right on their rear bumper. Then, when they ARE on their rear bumper, they are in the middle of a chicane or a turn or something, then complain about not having a safe place to pull over.

B.S. A simple rule, when you see the blue flag, simply look on the map and if you see a turn or a chicane coming up YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO SLOW and let the faster car go BEFORE the turn or chicane.

I know sometimes you are racing for position too (even though at least one lap down), but the bottom line is that the rule does state "YOU MUST NOT SLOW THE LAPPING CAR DOWN!!!!"

That's why it's frustrating for faster drivers.

Quote from tmehlinger :

I beg to differ. Swearing is as much a part of racing as tires and fuel.

Nobody worth writing home about ever won a race without cursing someone along the way.

Swear all you want, just don't chat it. If you want to talk reality: True, drivers swear all the time (as I do), but the TV producers don't let that audio on the air (at least on purpose) because there are kids listening (and driving online) that shouldn't be hearing that language.

Cool, now we'll see the really clever [G27] tags start showing up..

[G27] racer
[G27] FastJohn
[G27] I can't drive for sheet, but I sure do have a nice wheel

I thought it was modelled after the Nissan 350z (which is a front-mid engine)? I guess it WAS modelled after Porsche..

And a while back I thought the XRR was 4 wheel drive.. I was wrong then too.

Quote from Deutschland2007 :

Go to any track, then floor the throttle hammer in 1st gear when the lights go green. Do this with all 3 cars and you´ll see that the XRR has the worst traction. You also see more sliding out of corners from XRR drivers. It generally has less traction than the FZR, but that´s also down to the fact that the FZR has it´s engine at the back.

I don't think FZR Engine is in the rear. It's rear wheel drive but I"m pretty sure the engine is in front. It's not a volkswagen, I mean Porsche.

I'm thinking this thread didn't exactly agree with the original posters comment..

Quote from Wandering :

B2R Team from B2R FPRS Ranking system demo server kicks and ban and crash all, and they have fun.. (without reason)
They usually uses nicks Cardozo, or RIP, but they have HOST support, becose in these moment is disable vote system.. and ruin fun for other players.

My meaning is they are B2R team becose i know that guys well and they use some method in chat, like their true nicks ... (Gorally, Pug205, Velocity, Bluenavy and others..) and they have (crashers) admin rights!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pls disable this bad server for good racing in LFS .. thank you.

Buy a license and you will have more choice of servers to go to.

Quote from patrese :

I'm not the one who was complaining about the incident and I haven't bothered to respond untill a person with a influental position passed judgment on a event that he clearly isn't qualified to pass judgement on.
If you care to look at the replay again, you will find i looked left twice, the second time knowing it was clear for me to go back on the racing line.
I had FULLY (1/2m) overtaken by that time and therefore had every right to be where i was.
And yes, i still would have made it round the corner unlike XCNuse who may have got his brakes set differently or whatever.
I don't even care if i was right or wrong, but what does bother me are backseat drivers who think they know better but haven't produced
any evidence of that.
I mean, would you listen to someones advice about where or where not to brake who is nearly 3 seconds slower than you?
Writing this sitting on a Shetland pony

It's pretty clearly patrese's fault.. I'm, not sure what some of you are looking at, but if you use the overhead view it's clear as day. I think this is where a lot of arguments come from in LFS is that people have a different definition of who has 'right of way' etc.. I can say that you can't cut in front of someone WHILE you begin to brake.. That's just stupid.

Season 4 is now active come and get your points while you can.

Format is slightly different and the league will end when we have 50 drivers that have 100 points or more.

More info:
http://www.conedodgers.com/forum/index.php?topic=902.0

Quote from DoC_uk :

I think the problem is , its full of

1, People who are banned from CD servers for being a fool
2, kids ... schools are out ..

Had a few races there , and they seem nice admin ( maybe a little too nice )
Just a little too slow to act sometimes , + there aren't that many of them (admin i mean )

BUMP with GIANT EXLAMATION POINT!!

I've said this before too, we all need to stop saying NOOB when we should be saying CARELESS or WRECKER. There are a lot of NOOBs that are very respectful of cars around them. It's the idiots that just don't care who is around them that are the problem people.

Quote from bunder9999 :

perhaps i should, but i remember turning into T2 (not T1, T1 is the sloping left under the bridge) and having to slow down for the massive pile-up of cars that amasses there (because everyone drives like a noob on the first lap)... and then a second later i get rear-ended and sent into the wall backwards. after that i had to let the entire pack through just so i could turn around. plus i had to pit to fix my suspension damage.

edit: okay, so i watched the replay. there were 4 cars in front of me, you were behind me, some white car flies and hits you, zooms past me and into the wall. i had the line, and you didn't. i was turning in and you weren't. you flew into me and i hit the wall backwards... then you drove off without as much as a "sorry".

I'm not quite sure what you are showing with these images, but it doesn't support what you are saying. It CLEARLY shows Robubba along side you AND slightly ahead of you going into the turn.

Quote from Zen321 :

Very true.
It feels like driving on american roads. Every time you get pulled-up for speeding (1 mile over the highway 55 mph limit yay), they ask for checking your car for marijuana if you're young. If you refuse (which is your constitutionnal right), they threat you to take you to jail and call the canine brigade which will be likely to smell anything but marijuana (they react to fuel...), and you'll have your car opened and taken to jail for no apparent reason.

HUH??

I've lived in US 47 years and have never seen a case like that one.... Oh wait, I did...

On television..

btw - please don't post things as fact when you obviously don't know anything about it. The dogs do NOT react to fuel.

Quote from Qvarnis :

Is it in LFS or my pedals?

My wheel/pedal set is Wingman Formula Force GP, after using th pedals for... lets say, around an hour, it cuts throttle randomly.

I mean, when I push it pedal to the metal, it just suddenly cuts it, then it works again, and cuts again. Don`t really know how to describe it, but it`s comparable to fuelcutting.

I still can drive around, but it`s just freaking annoying when you`re trying to drift as hard as you can and it just cuts your throttle randomly.

I have the same problem. I had a DFP for about 2 years and it started doing this a few weeks ago. I tried new drivers and it still happens. I just received brand new DFP and yes, it STILL Happens!!! I have tried the wheel in GTR2, rFactor and N2k3 for a few hours and the pedals are fine, as soon as I go into LFS, the throttle starts cutting again. Usually once or twice per race. I don't think I can go an entire 10 lap race without the throttle cutting at least once.

I don't normally like to blame once piece of software but I don't know what other conclusion you can come to.. It really seems to have something to do with LFS...

Same problem here but with a DFP. I've found that I can make it happen simply by (as someone else said) jerking the wheel quickly one way or the other. It is then 'out of calibration'. I've tried to do it in other games and in the DFP settings screen and I cannot get it to do it in anything BUT LFS. I've upgraded drivers but it did not help. I do have "lock Calibration" turned on (and I've tried it turned off too). It seems to happen the worst when you are correcting a skid and you are fighting the force feedback.

I really think it has something to do with LFS but can't nail it down to that unless I get a new wheel and I don't want to get a new wheel unless I know it's the wheel.

This sux

hmm.. The problem that I see with the Cyber teams disconnect issue, is that when Mogster pitted, he pitted in a stall near the very beginning of pit road. When Scipy joined (to take over for Mogster), he re-joined in one of the stalls at the very end of pit road (coming out right in front of Suban. Disconnects are a big bummer, but when someone gets dropped it shouldn't turn out to be an advantage.

Scenario: what if Mogster lost his connection before the hairpin, then scipy joined the race and came out of the pits. He could have gained a 10 or 20 second advantage.

In leagues that I've been in, the best a disconnect can get you is a tail end of the lap you were on, NOT THE LEAD of the race.

Quote from ORION :

illepall
Blaming the game isnt a valid point when you are slower.

The quote above is really the silliest piece of crap I have EVER read in this forum
Sorry for this very aggressive comment, but it's really absolutely true...

Simply because the only effect of these settings is making everything slow and delayed, which makes it impossible to be smooth.

Impossible to be smooth???? What?????? The slow and delayed settings ARE DRIVING AIDS (most commonly known as traction control and steering assist).
Slow and Delayed = SMOOOOTHHHH.

Obviously a very sensitive mouser.

Like I said, go take a look at LFS hotlaps. More than half of the fastest drivers use mouse or keyboard. Also, like I said, I didn't mean to take anything from the skill of the guys that run those times (in case you didn't happen to read that part in my previous post), it OBVIOUSLY takes more skill than doing it with a wheel. Simply take a look at telemetry from the fastest hotlap using a mouse and the fastest using a wheel and the telemetry is way smoother.

Last edited by cobra193, Wed, 9 Aug 2006 02:42.

I've used a wheel from the start of my online racing (a couple of years ago).

The issue I have is that LFS claims to be a SIM (and has no aids)!! But it DOES!! If you use a KB or mouse, there are settings for the throttle and brake. This gives a definate ADVANTAGE to mouse and KB users!. Afterall, being fast is about being SMOOOOTH and it's definately harder being smooth using wheel and pedals.

I've noticed that there are MANY more Turbo drivers running BP Track in 1:23 with mouse than with Wheel. Look at the LFS hotlap record and you'll see the fastest hotlap is 1:23:200 and with a mouse.

I don't mind that the game compensates for mouse and KB, I agree with someone else above that said it is the games strength, BUT, I'm sorry, if I'm using a wheel and pedals, I SHOULD have a slight advantage over someone using mouse and keyboard!!! I don't want to take away from the skill of mousers at all (they have plenty!!) BUT if you want to call it a SIM.. I haven't seen many cars driven with a mouse (maybe a joystick).

Maybe give a weight to each vote. In other words, no matter how many votes, there will be no restart unless the leader also votes for a restart.

Maybe the driver currently in 2nd gets his vote counted as 1 1/2 votes and those in dead last get 1/2 a vote or none at all?

I like the idea of having the field VOTE for a restart, but there's been many times where you can take advantage of people that may be faster but more careless on the start to get in front, then when you are clear and in command of the race you're suddenly staring at the starting lights again.

There have also been PLENTY of times when there is a wreck due to someone being TOTALLY Careless and the leaders VERY GRACIOUSLY vote to restart.

Definately need asymetric adjustments. All courses have a directional bias (overall left or overall right). Example BP Normal is right turn biased (BP REV would be left turn biased).

Since you are making MORE right turns than left, you would setup your car to turn right a little easier.