oh well, just opened today lfs.net only to discover a new update, S3 speaking and some content.. this is off topic but right today another old RTS i loved (Total Annihilation) has been released on steam, so..


Hell I just checked my account to see that I joined back in July 2003. Looking forward to see this phoenix rise again, as my good old Logitech Momo is still rocking enjoying, Dirt Rally

Last edited by J_Matrix, Sat, 19 Dec 2015 22:36.

Well done guys, some Italy on the boards is always welcome :P

Many many congratulations!

Happy new year to everyone!

As already stated, i'd understand the realism improvement in removing digital speedos, but even at 1280x1024 i can hardly distinguish which is my real top speed and on FBM it is almost impossible to read speed.. For certain cars i'm forced to use virtual, at least i can see something better, but that's odd :/

Quote from StewartFisher :

McLaren's appeal is a joke. It seems clear now that the FIA have absolutely no way of policing article 6.5.5 so to punish BMW or Williams would be impossible.

In any case, the FIA have pushed themselves into a corner with their ridiculous judgements that if you break the rules but don't gain advantage then you don't deserve punishment. Even if the temperatures of the fuel reported were true, there's no way that would have given them 'significant advantage', therefore the FIA shouldn't punish them, according to their absurd precedents.

I was hoping that Ron Dennis would take it like a man and move on, but apparently not. Having said that, I shouldn't discount the possibility that the appeal was demanded by Mercedes or the sponsors.

Yes, FIA has pushed too much with judgements and now they are paying the price. About Dennis.. I guess McLaren is revolting inside his tomb, he was one of the most correct pilots and managers around, Dennis is damaging his name!

Colin, another man and two children lost their lives yesterday. Another shame after Burns' loss...

Thanks Colin.

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Quote from Crazy Harry :

Yeah, beautyful lady rides.

Definitely YES

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Greetings.

GTR2:
"It's like heading down to the bar and picking up some hottie bar fly chick with fake boobs and daisy-dukes, and getting a quick romp in the hay; leaving you with nothing more than an itchy crotch and an empty wallet in the morning. LFS is more like the medium-pretty girl who has character and substance underneath... You should marry LFS, it can only get better with time like a good marriage, because it's not built on superficialities. The bonus with LFS is that one day it'll turn into the hottie just to finish it off. Conversely, the "sim whores" of the world have no hope of ever having the substance they lack which is tragic indeed."

Like any slut, GTR2 has sex appeal that can make you crave more. Once you "go around" a few times you realize the relationship between you and the ... sim ... is shallow and only based on depraved desire for a few moments of extasy instigated by a lust for extreme sensory input.

I guess i couldn't explain what i think of it better than what you stated here

I anyway prefer much more LFS, it's more a game too, it's much more "user friendly" than GTR2.

Next year the issues will be 2: McLaren consistency and Kimi. If Mclaren will force Alonso to retire as much as kimi got in these years, it will be difficult for him to go on. On the other side i guess Kimi will have problems with the team, Ferrari is a big family, and it seems to be completely different from this point of view compared to Schumi.. I guess he'll be fast, but hm, Schumacher was the one able to build a competitive Ferrari, Kimi has been unable to do this to Mclaren..

I guess many threads may pop up here on this argument, but i needed to say this:

THANKS MICHAEL!!

You've been the best F1 champion, you leave unluckily beaten, but you've demonstrated you still are the reference for every other pilot in race with you.

Now the question is.. how long will you stay away from racing cars?

Condoleances Dave...

Quote from alliennas :

Hi racers.
Few days earlier, I decided to check what cars people drives most.. So here it is :reallyattached). For example we have XR GT Turbo and XR GTR, and no one drives the old XR GT. Why? Because everybody drives XR GT Turbo. Same story with LX4 and LX6. Actually I have never seen someone to drive the LX4.

Formula V8 is "dead" like MRT atm. But I do like these two cars, but no one drives it, because BF1 came in . Yeap, BF1 is very popular recent days, and it killed the old good FO8. Ok that's a bit off topic.

My point is: do we really need such cars like XR GT, LX4 ? (don't blame me for my opinion)
Sorry for english
alliennas

I think we need all of those cars. What you pointed out (people don't use them) it's mostly due to balance issues i think. UFR is widely overrun by XFR, XRgt is beaten by XFgt, Rb4 is way too slow compared to FXO and XRT. RAC and Fz50 are quite tricky to use, F08 is a lot better with tyre patch, but many people like more BF1. I think that some of the problems would be solved when we will get more balance in cars' classes.

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Quote from Bawbag :

Maybe just 2 simple bars, like teh throttle and brake bars. Like at the side or somewhere you could have a bar which goes full when you need to change gear. And for the skidding surely there could be some sort of bar again which shows how much skindding the tyre is doing.

Just an idea as the tyre skidding is something that used to get me alot when starting out in the game and everybody at early stages turn to much.

That could be an idea. I need to hear tyres sound to be aware if they are spinning or not.. otherwise all the rest just gives more "awareness" of what's around of you (followers, cars near you and such) but i guess that as someone else said your momo with better FF settings may allow you to get decent times. Anyway Bawbag's bar idea is a good one, +2 for me!

+1, tonight i could overtake the 1st position holder but i lost 3-4" for damage that i completely were unable to detect, so yes it could be a good option..
maybe an option that can be setted like tyres consumption or fuel, the more the percentage is high, the more damages (heavier ones) get repaired, so you can avoid "small" damages.

Quote from deggis :

Crashing too forgiving? Tap another car and randomly get a free moonflight ticket thanks to the collision detection bugs.

Yes, many things still have to be improved

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

LX6?

"AHEM" (lol, don't mind me, that thing is something i don't like that much so i forgot about it )

More seriously, I'd like to see more than just 1 car with such an engine (as well as with many other engines we still miss.. as Bob said we've got way too many 4cyls)

@Jamexing: yes, you started this trhead mainly for this, but remind that AWD's are not only TBO class. I'm sorrry if discussion diverted a bit about GTRs, i'd love to race with better TBO class as we already said without nerfing FXO. I anyway guess that in next patch we won't be having great changes in cars, we'll have to wait more updates (and more time i think )

Quote from ShannonN :

Easiest way to cure turbo lag is to replace the engine with a V8 no lag plenty of power and torque and a decent sound, forget open wheel crap, and slotting a bent 8 into the LX series, give us tin top v8s

When I say that I mean make three V8 powered versions of the GTR class to give us a choice and make them very close in performance and handling, it would be great to pit a XRR 8 against the XRR turbo, each would have differences in handling, braking, tyre wear etc.

We don't need more individual car types why not utilize what we have in terms of car shapes and models to save Eric a lot of work and seriously put forward a different comparible engine change without buying an engine in garage thingy?

Just a idea

Yep, (sorry Jamexing we're adding some GTR speaking here too), i do believe that current GTR aren't really "GTRs". They have a more comparable class in DTM racecars that, casually, use to have similar bhps but using way more handful V8's (that won't cause turbolags and such).
I Even think (apart certain examples given by many rallycars) that currently a 2000cc with 450hp is quite fragile and a little bit pushed to its limits.. 4I2000s with 450hp sounds more like an extremely tuned-up "normal" roadcar engine. I guess that in reality such an engine should be completely revisoned/remade at each race..

Back to TBO engines they appear to me more "realistic", but as we already stated, the problem may be solved once turbo model gets improved (substituting GTR with v8 engines sounds good, v8s on TBO class it's somewhat interesting but a little bit exaggerated ).

Quote from Bob Smith :

Seeing as we've lost the AWD plot totally, I think some more variety from 4 bangers in LFS would be great. 3x 6s and 2x 8s doesn't make up for 14x 4s. The LFS sound engine is very versatile, it's a shame we don't get enough variety.

You're right. We are still missing inline 5 and 6, v6-10-12 (thankfully we've got 4c and 6c boxer engines that i LOVE ). I anyway think it's impossible that devs are not going to add many more cars in future release (S3 speaking, we miss real "GTR" classes, such as Maserati MC12, as well as LMP classes.. and that's just an example, there are still many things to fill )

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Yes, you're right, maybe much parts of the problems are due to turbo model. I don't have much experience, but i've got a turbocar (Fiat croma 2000T 150hp with turbo @0.5bar) and it pushes far more harder than TBO class cars which have lot more bhps..

Certainly i don't want to see FXO or (I'm more concerned about GTRs too) FZR nerfed.. As I already said all cars should have equal (or at least near) potential, you may find one car expecially useful on certain tracks and slower on other ones, but you can't take 5 to 12 km/h of gap on the straight, you'll never keep up an FZR with an FXR with such differences.. I guess the suggestions already pointed out may help a lot in improving these cars to reach (or get nearer) to the FXO.

The point here is that devs think to mantain radical differences between cars in the same class (and it's quite obvious that 4WD is different from FWD and from RWD).. but my point here is that a player should be in condition to choose freely a car of the same class and have equal possibilities to lap/race/win/have fun with the car chosen. Actually when you enter a TBO server you get owned by FXOs as well as into a GTR server you get owned by FZRs.
If devs (which have MY ABSOLUTE RESPECT AND GRATITUDE -don't think i hate them or anything similar ) plan to keep current balance i would like more to have a each car classified apart from another one and not sum them up as they are now.. Anyway as someone else stated here, we're still on alpha stage, so things may change a lot in future..

Last edited by J_Matrix, Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:27.

I had few time to read the whole post, but if I'm not wrong, here nobody mentioned AUDI's domination in DTM some years ago.
I read much about 4wd cars and I agree in LFS there's a big lack of such kind of cars and they are way too underpowered/unbalanced as many stated here. 4x4 should be a lot more faster than they are now. Actually, only in few tracks it's possible to have a "little" comparison between RB4 and XRT (the FXO it's just another class of car, it's too fast).
There's some match between GTR cars too (take As2 with FXR and XRR, these cars get quite close in timing/racing) but here again the FZR has no comparison due to many factors.. I just hope to see in future more 4wd cars as well as to see them way faster than what they are now. It's just a matter of balance between the classes they race into, otherwise don't create a TBO class or a GTR class if there's so much prestational difference between FZR>XRR&FXR or FXO>XRT&RB4 (and we can easily say that 4wd cars are actually the slowest of the row..)..

I agree, the standings should count the 3 best pilots of the same nation.. I may also add that as many racers are from the same nation/team has got more possibilities to score more points (take my nation, we are 5-6 racers vs 17 of germany or 16 of England) rather than nations with less racers. With this i mean that when you've got many racers, it's easier for that nation to place the top 3 in the higher positions, while less racers have got much more less hope to get the same results, even if you consider only the top3 or top 5

I'll probably buy this wheel once it will come out (after trying it, of course, 300bucks are not few) but i don't really understand why leaving 4 buttons only on the wheel!! It's stupid! I guess logitech has decided to lower the button number to avoid problems with too many cables running inside the center of the wheel and to have simpler mass production.. but i still think it's just..illepall
I also hope that they've understood all the problems that affected Momo & DFP and erased them in this new wheel.. expecially the pedals pots' problem!
Anyway, i hope it will be possible to combo the momo wheel with the new pedals and shifter.. this way it could be possible to have the buttons on the wheel and the ones on the shifter too

At the moment we're running the italian league of LFS and i can say we've noticed tyers to last much longer than before.
The first race we'got (after the patch) has been on FeGold with Rac & Lx4. Before the patch after 30 laps my front tyers on the Rac were almost gone (wear was up to 90%).
After the patch (always 30 laps) they were 45-55% worn. Obviously this is the only experience i had after the patch, so your guess (the tyres lasts longer) for me works for race_normal tyres too.